You gotta love Zogby

[Train]

OMG ckg, i was just collecting those same quotes! lol, lets see if I have any you missed,

heres a non-conjur vote for zogby

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: ntdz
zogby...i dunno about them. Internet polling just isn't there yet IMO.

Wow, once again pure ignorance from ntdz. Zogby was the only pollster to get the 2000 election right, and he's the one pollster EVERYONE is paying attention to. Of course you'd know this, if you had any sort of idea what you were talking about.

and the ones you missed:

Originally posted by: conjur
More states are showing up under zogby polls...the more accurate of the polls

Originally posted by: conjur
slight accuracy? zogby nailed it last year from what I recall.

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
Bush had 3% and 6% leads on Fri. and Sat., respectively, so that means Kerry gained on Sunday.

Also, Kerry is up 48-46 in Rasmussen

umm, how do you figure? comparing different polls?
http://www.zogby.com
10/25 Bush +3
10/24 Bush +2
10/23 Bush +2
10/22 Bush +2
10/21 Bush +1

Looks like steady Bush gain over the last 5 days to me.

Right...and in order for Bush's lead to rise, he has to have a significant advantage, right? How else would an average rise?


Zogby is the most accurate and this may very well be the case that Bush is up nationally but that doesn't mean much when you consider the electoral vote (and the battleground states) are the ones really deciding this election.

Zogby also made the point that the recent Bush gains come from red states, in other words the red states are voting overwhelmingly for Bush giving him higher votes but losing in the electrol college.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Zogby has Bush up nationally 48% to 45% over John Kerry. It also has Bush up 49% to 46% in Flordia and 47% to 42% in Ohio. Ouch. Once again, try to explain it, try to discredit it, but don't accept it. That's the motto of the democrats, just like in 2000.

Edit: Link for the losers that wont believe it

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=6597243

http://www.electoral-vote.com

Your Title needs fixing

Topic Title: You gotta love Zogby

should be:

Topic Title: If you are a Neocon, you gotta love Zogby

I dunno, somebody has a lot of faith in them:

Originally posted by: conjur
Zogby was the most accurate pollster during the 2000 election

Originally posted by: conjur
As for Zogby, he was the only one that had predicted a slight Gore win (in the popular vote) in 2000.

Originally posted by: conjur
Zogby has proven to be one of the most accurate, if not the most accurate, pollster

Originally posted by: conjur
Zogby is the most accurate. Gallup, Strategic Vision, Mason/Dixon and Survey USA lean to the right

Originally posted by: conjur
We all know your opinion is completely worthless.

Zogby was the most accurate in the last Presidential election. Polls like Time and Gallup are outliers at this point.

Originally posted by: conjur
BWA HA HA HA HA!!

Do you not realize how accurate Zogby has been lately? Esp. in the 2000 election?

To be honest, I just searched for "Zogby." I didn't mean for all my "pro-Zogby posts from known Kerry-supporting posters" proof to be from conjur, it just worked out that way.

LOL, almost lost control of my bladder...

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
Bush had 3% and 6% leads on Fri. and Sat., respectively, so that means Kerry gained on Sunday.

Also, Kerry is up 48-46 in Rasmussen

umm, how do you figure? comparing different polls?
http://www.zogby.com
10/25 Bush +3
10/24 Bush +2
10/23 Bush +2
10/22 Bush +2
10/21 Bush +1

Looks like steady Bush gain over the last 5 days to me.

Right...and in order for Bush's lead to rise, he has to have a significant advantage, right? How else would an average rise?

W

T

F
are you trying to spin now?

Zogby is the most accurate and this may very well be the case that Bush is up nationally but that doesn't mean much when you consider the electoral vote (and the battleground states) are the ones really deciding this election.

*ahem* thread steer *cough* but anyways, from your holier than this so called neocon pollster:
Zogby on the 10 Battleground States:
Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Bush
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Bush
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Bush

Thats 74 EV Bush, 57 Kerry

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Florida, Ohio, Penn., Wiscon., Minn., New Mexico are all within the margin of error so putting a win for your candidate in any of those states is foolish.

My predictions: Kerry will take Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and New Mexico. Ohio is truly a 50/50 tossup. And Florida will probably go to Bush. This election I think will really hinge on Ohio, whoever nabs it will win this thing.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Zogby has Bush up nationally 48% to 45% over John Kerry. It also has Bush up 49% to 46% in Flordia and 47% to 42% in Ohio. Ouch. Once again, try to explain it, try to discredit it, but don't accept it. That's the motto of the democrats, just like in 2000.

Edit: Link for the losers that wont believe it

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=6597243

http://www.electoral-vote.com

ouch , I cant beleive it. I just cant. ouch. This hurts. I give up, I don't want to be a loser too, so I'm voting Bush !

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Train

Zogby on the 10 Battleground States:
Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Bush
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Bush
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Bush

Thats 74 EV Bush, 57 Kerry

Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Kerry
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Kerry
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Kerry

Interesting, here is the way I see it:

Bush 17 EV, Kerry 93

of these States

 

[lordtyranus]

Yup, dave. I bet you know better than Zogby does. That ckg post was pure ownage.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Florida, Ohio, Penn., Wiscon., Minn., New Mexico are all within the margin of error so putting a win for your candidate in any of those states is foolish.

My predictions: Kerry will take Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and New Mexico. Ohio is truly a 50/50 tossup. And Florida will probably go to Bush. This election I think will really hinge on Ohio, whoever nabs it will win this thing.

heh, goo thing I'm still registered there (and the pollsters dont know it!) need a good excuse to come into work late tuesday anyways..

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Zogby has Bush up nationally 48% to 45% over John Kerry. It also has Bush up 49% to 46% in Flordia and 47% to 42% in Ohio. Ouch. Once again, try to explain it, try to discredit it, but don't accept it. That's the motto of the democrats, just like in 2000.

Edit: Link for the losers that wont believe it

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=6597243

http://www.electoral-vote.com

Your Title needs fixing

Topic Title: You gotta love Zogby

should be:

Topic Title: If you are a Neocon, you gotta love Zogby

Actually it would be:

Topic Title: If you are a Neocon, you gotta love Zogby, at the moment anyway.

 

[her209]

Well according to the Kerry/Edwards polling team, Bush is at an amazing -10%.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Yup, dave. I bet you know better than Zogby does. That ckg post was pure ownage.

We'll see if I know better than Zogby in 8 days.

What csg post you talking about???

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Florida, Ohio, Penn., Wiscon., Minn., New Mexico are all within the margin of error so putting a win for your candidate in any of those states is foolish.

My predictions: Kerry will take Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and New Mexico. Ohio is truly a 50/50 tossup. And Florida will probably go to Bush. This election I think will really hinge on Ohio, whoever nabs it will win this thing.

actually, Bush is ahead 5% in Ohio, outside the margin of error. He's right at the margin of error for Flordia.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Well I've seen 3 other Ohio polls which show the race there a dead heat. Ntdz, you can't go by one poll and assume the race will be just like that come election day, what we are seeing is that the for the most part the numbers are a dead heat in a lot of battleground states. Rasmussen poll has Kerry up by 2 percentage points overall for the first time since early August.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Well I've seen 3 other Ohio polls which show the race there a dead heat. Ntdz, you can't go by one poll and assume the race will be just like that come election day, what we are seeing is that the for the most part the numbers are a dead heat in a lot of battleground states. Rasmussen poll has Kerry up by 2 percentage points overall for the first time since early August.

im not saying this race isnt a dead heat, because it is. I think it's 50/50 between Bush and Kerry for who'll win. I see liberals praising the zogby poll as the most accurate, so i decided to post the zogby results because they have called this poll the most accurate.

 

[classy]

Actually this is good news for Kerry, because it will give democratic voters more incentive to vote. Its a historical voting trend that a candidate who is percieved to headed for victory loses some votes from his supporters who think he doesn't need them. So I'm ok with this. But I think they are wrong about Ohio. There was a voting person who registers folks and he said that voter registration by democrats was unprecedented and unmatched by anything they had seen before. Another lady on Fox said the same thing as well today about Ohio. But it all comes down to who votes.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

The poll, the data? Yep, Zogby shows Bush as being up. Whatever, that's fine. I know who I'm voting for.

The OP? Pure flamebait.

(side note: Not saying the identical thing doesn't happen on both sides)

 

[chess9]

Classy:

Right, the race is about WHO VOTES! We've registered a gazillion new Democrats here in Florida and some of them are actually alive AND not in jail! We might even get a couple of them to vote if the weather is perfect and the limos get them all picked up with free champagne and steaks. Oops, there I go getting cynical again about the lazy Dem voters. Sheezh, I feel like Charley Brown trying to kick the football....

Well, I hope they prove me wrong. Please, please, please, prove me wrong.
-Robert

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Train

Zogby on the 10 Battleground States:
Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Bush
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Bush
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Bush

Thats 74 EV Bush, 57 Kerry

Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Kerry
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Kerry
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Kerry

Interesting, here is the way I see it:

Bush 17 EV, Kerry 93

of these States

NM for Bush?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Train

Zogby on the 10 Battleground States:
Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Bush
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Bush
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Bush

Thats 74 EV Bush, 57 Kerry

Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Kerry
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Kerry
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Kerry

Interesting, here is the way I see it:

Bush 17 EV, Kerry 93

of these States

NM for Bush?

NM doesn't appear to be affected by the Economy so it's full of Fat Happy Rich Elitist Neocons.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Train

Zogby on the 10 Battleground States:
Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Bush
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Bush
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Bush

Thats 74 EV Bush, 57 Kerry

Colorado(9 EV) Kerry
Florida(27 EV) Kerry
Iowa(7 EV) Bush
Michigan(17 EV) Kerry
Minnesota(10 EV) Kerry
New Mexico(5 EV) Bush
Nevada(5 EV) Bush
Ohio(20 EV) Kerry
Pennsylvania(21 EV) Kerry
Wisconsin(10 EV) Kerry

Interesting, here is the way I see it:

Bush 17 EV, Kerry 93

of these States

NM for Bush?

NM doesn't appear to be affected by the Economy so it's full of Fat Happy Rich Elitist Neocons.

or maybe they dont blame the govt for all their own problems. People need to stop blaming everyone else and maybe take a look at themselves.

 

[lordtyranus]

You forgot North Carolina, Dave. Unless my eyes are deceiving me and confusing the individual for a young rhinoceros, this person here seems to be a Fat Happy Rich Elitist Neocon.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: chess9
Screw the polls. Get out and vote.

It's time to go mano a mano.

Give me your best shot.

-Robert

:thumbsup:

I'm personally amazed at all the people I talk to who either haven't voted recently or who know people who haven't voted, all of whom who have registered this time in order to sweep the Shrub out. Most of these folks are not kids, either, and they have definitely fallen below the poll's radar. I know the election is going to be close, but I think Kerry is going to win.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: chess9
Screw the polls. Get out and vote.

It's time to go mano a mano.

Give me your best shot.

-Robert

:thumbsup:

I'm personally amazed at all the people I talk to who either haven't voted recently or who know people who haven't voted, all of whom who have registered this time in order to sweep the Shrub out. Most of these folks are not kids, either, and they have definitely fallen below the poll's radar. I know the election is going to be close, but I think Kerry is going to win.

The future of the nation and this world depends on John Kerry winning.

 

[Engineer]

Wow...Zogby had Bush by 3% at this same time vs Gore during 2000 (Saw on CNN) (Lou Dobbs). Things can and will change quickly.