You have KILLED PC Gaming

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
Hi moron, not everyone has a $3,000 HDTV to display the PS3's capabilities. Getting a PC game to look good is easier to do and cheaper than buying an expensive HDTV monitor. The PS3 can't ever change. Let's talk in 2-3 years and we'll see how PC games are in relation to PS3 games, which will be on 3 year old hardware.

Nice.. Actually the government is pushing towards getting everyone on the HD format... I think you'll be hard pressed to buy an SD tv in the next two years. And $3000?!??! Where do you guys get numbers. Do you guys live out in the woods.. You can have an HD tv for about 900 bucks now.. and buying used is an option!

All PC games are tuned to provide a full range of performance turning options. There is no "developers having to cater to the lowest hardware". PC gaming will never die. It's only gotten more common and easier.

Really.. Tim Sweeney and Carmack constantly refer being crippled by having to coding for the LCD (lowest common denominator).. Wonder what they were talking about... guess I misunderstood them...

Your entire post is incorrect, no matter what you think, PC gaming is bigger and better and will continually (steadily) improve. Consoles come in spurts every few years. This is common knowledge. It's suprising you fail to realise this.

Actually thats old school thinking... If you don't think that there is any competition from console gaming, think again. Yes consoles come in spurts every few years, however they get better and more threatining every iteratation. I can remember people saying that arcades will never die.. This is like one of those converstaions.. yeah, there are arcades around, but not like before....

Both genres of gaming will always be around. Consoles and PC. Neither will kill the other. Eventually the two may merge, maybe, but that's too far off to predict accruately. Sports titles are generally better to play on Consoles. But one of the biggest things that the PC industry has going for itself, is the console controllers will never equal the ease and controllability of the keyboard/mouse. You have to buy a seperate keyboard/mouse for a console (if they even make it) just to play Halo 2 or 3 on the console? That's lame. PC gaming has this option for every game. And playing Halo for instance on a console controller vs the accuracy and ease of a keyboard/mouse is no contest.

Seperate keyboard and mouse? why not just use the one from you PC? I use my Xbox controller on my PC (superjoy 11) and can use the usb devices on my xbox..

Next...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: apoppin

PC gaming is 'small potatoes' compared to consoles. Wake up

. . . and i'm going to bed now.

It's not like there's a fixed amount of money to be spent on games. Your statement does not disqualify my point at all. PC gaming is booming. It's profits are going up year after year. The success of consoles isn't affecting growth in the PC gaming sector negatively.

Don't you see that they're both growing?

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: apoppin

PC gaming is 'small potatoes' compared to consoles. Wake up

. . . and i'm going to bed now.

It's not like there's a fixed amount of money to be spent on games. Your statement does not disqualify my point at all. PC gaming is booming. It's profits are going up year after year. The success of consoles isn't affecting growth in the PC gaming sector negatively.

Don't you see that they're both growing?

Give us links that support your points then. We won't take your word for it just because you say "PC gaming is booming".

 

[homercles337]

If you bought and built your PC solely for gaming you are the stupidist man in the world. End of story...

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: giz02
Nice.. Actually the government is pushing towards getting everyone on the HD format... I think you'll be hard pressed to buy an SD tv in the next two years. And $3000?!??! Where do you guys get numbers. Do you guys live out in the woods.. You can have an HD tv for about 900 bucks now.. and buying used is an option!

Ha! More ignorance. The govt is forcing DIGITAL not HD. Jebus man, go die already please.

 

[giz02]

Ha! More ignorance. The govt is forcing DIGITAL not HD. Jebus man, go die already please.

The FCC has not mandated HDTV signals; it only requires digital TV broadcasts. The prevailing expectation, however, is that HDTV during primetime will be the rule. It is not clear whether broadcasting HDTV or multiple standard definition channels during non primetime hours will become common.


Thinks like that happen when you only read the first sentence of an article. fool!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
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Give us links that support your points then. We won't take your word for it just because you say "PC gaming is booming".

You want research? You got it. I was interested by some of the data I've found.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=8854#8854

If you read that article, particularly near the end, you'll see that PC gaming sales figure declined from $1.2 billion in 2003 to $1.1 billion in 2004. However, that's PC games SALES. It doesn't seem to include monthly subscriber fees that MMORPGs earn monthly. After all, you only put down $49.99 for a new copy of a MMORPG, but you can pony up $10-15 monthly to keep playing. That still only generates $49.99 in sales revenues, minus the cut that retailers and distributors take. Now, take a look at this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/05/20/ncsoft.ap/

In particular is this interesting paragraph:

"Market research firm DFC Intelligence predicts global revenues for online games will grow to about $5 billion next year from an estimated $3.5 billion in 2005."

$3.5 billion from online games alone? The question is, which platform will generate this estimated $3.5 billion in online revenue? Now take a look at this article:

http://news.gamewinners.com/index.php/news/1715/

Interesting read. It claims projections of online PC gaming revenue in 2004 to be $1 billion. Now, we all know Wow exceeded expectations in sales, so that figure is likely conservative. Keep in mind that the PC games SALES in 2004, as I mentioned above, was $1.1 billion. However, assuming $1 billion in online REVENUE from PC games in 2004, which includes both sales and subscription fees of online PC games, total gaming revenue for PC games in 2004 could have(and likely did) exceed $1.1 billion in 2004. I would also wager that online revenues from PC gaming grew by more than $100 million from 2003-2004. Total PC gaming revenue probably increased, once you take subscriber fees into account. I'm still looking for data on 2003 online gaming revenues, but I haven't found anything yet. Moving right along, take a look at this rosy PS2 article:

http://playstation.about.com/od/onlinegaming/a/PS2Online2Years_2.htm

Note this paragraph in particular:

"Analysts anticipate the online console game market to continue to expand. DFC Intelligence forecasts online console game revenue to reach $2.9 billion worldwide by 2009 (The Online Game Market 2004), and JupiterResearch believes that connected console revenues will out-pace PC revenue by nearly $100 million in that same year (March 2004 US Video Games Forecast 2004)."

Let's do a little simple math, shall we? If online console revenues will jump to $2.9 billion by 2009, and if that figure will top PC online revenue by $100 in that same year, then logically, PC online gaming revenue will reach $2.8 billion by 2009.

Wow! Looks like the PC gaming industry will continue to grow. Imagine that. And that, ladies and gentlemen, was from an article extoling the virtures of console gaming(on the PS2 in particular). I don't think they goosed up the numbers to make PC gaming look especially good.

In conclusion, I must state the following:

Console revenues are up across the board. PC sales are down slightly, but overall revenues from PC gaming are up due to subscriber fees from online games. There is growth in both sectors, and there will be continued growth in both sectors.

Neither the console nor the PC gaming industries will die anytime soon. In fact, they're both doing quite well.

Don't we all wish the OP would have done some research before posting his rant? It's a shame I had to do all the work for him.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Don't we all wish the OP would have done some research before posting his rant? It's a shame I had to do all the work for him.

It's just too bad that all that google searching you did was useless for this thread. Where are the numbers and predictions for XB360 and PS3. the op was a prediction based on current technology, not last years numbers.

WOW is one game.
"Market research firm DFC Intelligence predicts global revenues for online games will grow to about $5 billion next year from an estimated $3.5 billion in 2005."

ONLINE games, not PC gaming. XB360 is sub based (well if you want to play during the week). Those revenues will include all of that.

" assuming $1 billion in online REVENUE from PC games in 2004,"

Who's assumption? Where does this number come from? This I am very critical of because you count the sale figure twice. Once in sales, then once in your online 'assumption' which also covers sales again.

PC gaming will continue the downward trend, and where is the money going, consoles? why? because that is where the majority of the games will be made. why? because it is the bigger market and it's easier to develop for because of the common hardware element.

 

[Maximilian]

Yep there IS a lesson here OP..... Dont waste umpteen thousand dollars on a big monster rig

 

[nzimmers]

After reading the original post for this thread all I can do is chuckle.

Call me sadistic....But I am delighted to see the 'twitch-fest I need more pointless eye candy so I can chase frame rates' take a bitter pill

I had to witness the decline of the production of well made strategy games and highly detailed flight simulations due to the 'kiddies' at the time gobbling up anything that only needed a mouse and a rapid index finger to play.

Content, design, artistry in PC games has taken a major hit over the years....and it's guys like the original poster that have caused it. Infact, at one time many of the major titles were releasing games that wouldn't play decently on ANY machine because it was all hype and consumers thought that 'hey if my machine can barely run it, it must be crazy good". I suspect this point in the history of computer games is when the original poster got into it all.

I have a couple of games from the 1994-1996 era that are well though out, fun, and dynamic enough to play even ten years (can't believe it's been that long) later. I still enjoy flight sims, especially "aces high" that puts graphics secondary to accurate physics and gameplay.

I'll be oh so happy to see everyone move off to an xb or ps3 or what ever....the PC is much more suited for games that are not fast action/reaction.....you sit at a desk with a PC....you can put your coffee or ashtray next to you, you can have a 2nd monitor for reading email/browsing whil paying....what's the point of spending money chasing frame rates on a PC when all the console makers are basically giving away the hardware at a loss hoping to make the profits through the sale of the games?

The future is looking brighter for me and all the old gogarnards

 

[ryanv12]

Am I the only one who found the original post to be hilarious? Not in a condescending way, but it seems to me that the poster was trying to be funny

Ah, a lot of you guys are engineers or are going to be one - I can tell already

 

[shoRunner]

someone needs to KILL this thread....everyone has established that the OP's a moron...

 

[Matt155]

 

[Matt155]

Well here is my opinion, I have not bought a console since Atari days but I will be buying the PS3 when it comes out and if it has all the features they described. Why?

First of all, PS3 will make a big leap toward converting many pc gamers to console.
PS1 and PS2 never addressed the needs of pc gamers in my opinion.

Here is some reasons why a PC gamer will migrate toward the PS3.

1. The ability to use whatever type of controller one wishes. I have always hated the gamepad, I always love the mouse and keyboard combination.

2. The ability to hook up to high res screens, and use the high resolution.

3. Portability, lot easier dragging the console and hooking it up to most video souces then a pc.

4. Not having to worry about driver conflict and games crashing do to software or hardware conflicts.

I have a pretty high end water cooled rig right now, but I will not be upgrading anymore for game play.

To me good setup will be, keep your current rig, don't upgrade anymore for games.
Buy PS3 when it comes out and buy a nice HD video, LCD, big screen, plasma, or even a projector.

 

[ShazK]

I'm a console gamer primarily ... but still, consoles are no good for RTS games and MMOs and omgSPOREomg. Really, unless you're crazy like some people you don't have to spend a lot of money. Ha, I just play all the PC games a year after they come out because I'm cheap, but it works. And only fancy FPS games need monster things, and that's only if you run it with crazy graphics upped.

EDIT: May I add though, that I don't like the idea of KBaM on a console. That's what makes PC gaming unique mostly.

Consoles are better kept with just their gamepads and bongos and dancepads and such. Play on your PC if you want KBaM.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShazK
I'm a console gamer primarily ... but still, consoles are no good for RTS games and MMOs and omgSPOREomg. Really, unless you're crazy like some people you don't have to spend a lot of money. Ha, I just play all the PC games a year after they come out because I'm cheap, but it works. And only fancy FPS games need monster things, and that's only if you run it with crazy graphics upped.

EDIT: May I add though, that I don't like the idea of KBaM on a console. That's what makes PC gaming unique mostly.

Consoles are better kept with just their gamepads and bongos and dancepads and such. Play on your PC if you want KBaM.

What IF the next gen consoles support KB+mouse gaming?
:shocked:

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShazK
I'm a console gamer primarily ... but still, consoles are no good for RTS games and MMOs and omgSPOREomg. Really, unless you're crazy like some people you don't have to spend a lot of money. Ha, I just play all the PC games a year after they come out because I'm cheap, but it works. And only fancy FPS games need monster things, and that's only if you run it with crazy graphics upped.

EDIT: May I add though, that I don't like the idea of KBaM on a console. That's what makes PC gaming unique mostly.

Consoles are better kept with just their gamepads and bongos and dancepads and such. Play on your PC if you want KBaM.

What IF the next gen consoles support KB+mouse gaming?
:shocked:

That is what I think will happen and they FPS / RPG / RTS all become viable on the component box.... that could kill or extremely marginalize computer gaming. I seem to think that the new consoles will have KB & mouse because the Xbox, for one, will feature internet browsing... and I'm assuming things that go along with that (email, chat, IM).

 

[ryanv12]

Any word on what they're doing for online gaming? That would be the only but most prominent reason to game with PC's.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: giz02

It's just too bad that all that google searching you did was useless for this thread.

No it wasn't. You made the ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim that PC gaming is dead, and that the various readers of this forum are to blame. I am making the case that the PC gaming industry is alive and well, thereby debunking your inane rant.

Where are the numbers and predictions for XB360 and PS3

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I wasn't looking for any of that. It's guarenteed that console gaming will be lucrative in the future. Nobody asked me to establish that, so I took no effort to do so.

ONLINE games, not PC gaming. XB360 is sub based (well if you want to play during the week). Those revenues will include all of that.

Do you not know how to parse sentences? Xbox360 isn't even supposed to be out until November 2005. The article predicts $3.5 billion in online gaming revenues(sales + subscription fees) for 2005. That figure will, at most, include one month's of sales and subscriptions for Xbox360. The vast majority of online games are still on the PC, especially lucrative subscriber titles(like WoW).

Who's assumption? Where does this number come from?

Read the article I linked AND QUOTED. They cited an estimated $1 billion in online revenue from PC games in 2004. I mentioned WoW, and stated that online PC gaming revenue likely exceeded $1 billion for 2004, but stuck with $1 billion as a conservative estimate.

This I am very critical of because you count the sale figure twice. Once in sales, then once in your online 'assumption' which also covers sales again.

Do I have to spell it out for you? Revenues from PC gaming sales and online revenues overlap a bit, but they are NOT THE SAME THING. Sales do NOT include revenues from subscriber fees which are the bread and butter of MMORPGs, among other titles. Online revenues include sales and revenues from online games, but do not include revenue generated by the sale of offline games.

PC gaming will continue the downward trend

No it won't. Didn't you read the last article I linked? Do I have to quote the article a second time? DFC Intelligence predicts online revenue from PCs to reach $2.8 billion by 2009, which amounts to growth in the PC gaming industry(and that's just revenue from online games).

DFC Intelligence knows more than you.