Zell Miller, Republican or Democrat?

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classy

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: sixone
I'd call him honest. He is beholden to no one, as he has no political future once his term ends. Why not tell the truth, and shame the devil?

Give me f'in break. This man is what is wrong with politics. He lied to the people of Georgia. The will of the people was for him to be elected as a democrat. If he no longer could represent the people's interest, then he should step down. Period. That goes for democrat or republican. These politicains are elected to represent the interests of the american citizens not their own. He is flat out a disgrace. And like I said before when the whole lot them Byrd, Helms, Hatch, Lott, Thurman already has dropped dead, and you add this clown, when all these old flakes either leave office or drop dead, America will be better off. We need folks who have credibility and true honesty. When I look at the kind of folks we need I can look to a McCain or Biden. A lot of this other garbage needs to be taken out a set on the curb for trash pickup. Zell belongs on the curb.

That's entirely untrue. In America we don't elect a party, we elect a man. You elect him because you trust he will make decisions which reflect your beliefs and interests. The fact that he is a member of the Democrat party or Republican party is entirely beside the point. People who are unfamiliar with our form of government, or are just lazy will vote for someone based on his or her being a Democrat or Republican without bothering to find out about the person himself. Is this a man who's decisions I trust? Is this a man I feel will reflect my needs in Washington? Those are the questions you should ask yourself before casting your vote.

WTF? We always have and always will vote for folks who represent the things we believe in. And that is what is called party lines. If even remotely what you say is true then there would be no party lines. If Zell Miller was a republican he would not have been elected. Because to the people of GA a democratic candidate held more of their beliefs than a republican candidate. Please don't give no bs crap about we vote for men and not partys. We vote for men who represent the things we believe in based on what the party represents.
 

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Originally posted by: KK
Who the hell votes for someone based on whether the person is a democrat or republican? Apparently blind democrats like you do. And how the heck do you know what the will of the people in Georgia is? What credentials do you have to back up such an idiotic statement? The only normal sounding sentence in your whole spew of garbage included McCain.

KK


Well nothing you said was normal. Politicians represent a party. Folks support that party based on political beliefs. And thus we vote for the candidate who represents the party we support. Idiot
 

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Originally posted by: Kraeji
ZELL ZELL ZELL ZELL ZELL!

I could almost feel the dems cringing last night

what exactly were they cringing about? All I've seen from the Republicans thus far is a huge effort to smear Kerry. They have spent no time talking about what THEY have done, or will do, in the upcoming presidential term. I really can't vote for a party that makes bashing the opposition a priority over spreading their own message. Sure there is always time to point out flaws in an opponent, but by no means should it be the centerpiece of your campaign, particularly when you are the incumbent.
 

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: Kraeji
ZELL ZELL ZELL ZELL ZELL!

I could almost feel the dems cringing last night

what exactly were they cringing about? All I've seen from the Republicans thus far is a huge effort to smear Kerry. They have spent no time talking about what THEY have done, or will do, in the upcoming presidential term. I really can't vote for a party that makes bashing the opposition a priority over spreading their own message. Sure there is always time to point out flaws in an opponent, but by no means should it be the centerpiece of your campaign, particularly when you are the incumbent.

So your're not voting this year?
 

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I figured that if you guys are going to talk about something, you may want to have this to reference. It's better than out of context lines and op-ed opinions.

Text of Zell Miller's Speech at the GOP Convention
The following is the full text of remarks made by Senator Zell Miller, as prepared for delivery.
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Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family has been born: Four great grandchildren.

Along with all the other members of our close-knit family -- they are my and Shirley's most precious possessions.

And I know that's how you feel about your family also.

Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils they will face.

Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of world they will grow up in.

And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family?

The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party.

There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that man's name is George Bush.

In the summer of 1940, I was an eight-year-old boy living in a remote little Appalachian valley.

Our country was not yet at war but even we children knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if they could.

President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger."

In 1940 Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee.

And there is no better example of someone repealing their "private plans" than this good man.

He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time.

And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue.

Shortly before Wilkie died he told a friend, that if he could write his own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here lies one who contributed to saving freedom", he would prefer the latter.

Where are such statesmen today?

Where is the bi-partisanship in this country when we need it most?

Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander-in- Chief.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.

Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but Americans need to know the facts.

The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40% of the bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11.

I could go on and on and on: Against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel, Against the Aegis air-defense cruiser, Against the Strategic Defense Initiative, Against the Trident missile, against, against, against.

This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces?

U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric.

Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside.

Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations.

Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending. I want Bush to decide.

John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.

That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be leader of the free world.

Free for how long?

For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military.

As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far-away.

George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.

John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists.

No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under.

George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip.

From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.

I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I admire this man.

I am moved by the respect he shows the First Lady, his unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.

I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace," "Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning.

He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words.

I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.

The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.

This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not any history. It's our family's history.

The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do.

Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted, self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.

In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.

Thank you.

God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.

 

SuperTool

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Miller went on Hardball right afterwards, and went postal on Chris Matthews, even wanted to challenge him to a duel
It was an angry old white dude night
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: Pers

....the rupublicans continually calling kerry a flip flopper is not only hypocritical but shallow and naive.

let me guess another conservative trying to portray a little intelligence by pledging allegiance to the Libertarian party?

I agree with your first statement. Your second is just ridiculous. A rational discussion with you is obviously impossible.

Pers believes there are only two kinds of people in this country. Those who agree with him and those who are uneducated, pickup driving, wife beating, nascar watching, redneck hicks. It is impossible to have a rational discussion with him because his ignorance, whether it's due to stupidity or simply his youth, does not allow room for the possibility of varying opinions on a variety of issues. He simply lacks the life experience or intelligence to realize that people can be members of a party or support a particular candidate without agreeing with that party or person in every possible way.

I have been called a "dumb hick" by Pers on several occasions despite the fact that I have a liberal college education, have never owned a gun, don't drive a truck, am in favor of gay marriage and universal health care, and voted for Clinton twice.

Pers,
nobody but your die-hard liberal supporters will give your arguments any weight whatsoever until you are old enough or smart enough to understand that people of all parties can have varying opinions on varying issues. Perhaps when you are a little older and join the real world, you will learn that the people of this country come in more than two varieties.

Personally, I would rather have politicians on both sides who think for themselves and decide what is right and wrong based on their beliefs and the facts in front of them rather than politicians who blindly follow the party leadership's commands. The latter reminds me far too much of a party called the Nazis. It is the same logic I used when arguing against the republicans who were smearing all the anti-war protesters and calling them un-american.
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
millers own words...

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor ? but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 ? when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection ? some might say an obsession ? for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know ? Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.
http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm


guess those delagates shoulda been doing that flip flop dance while he spoke

You left out a very important detail of that speech.
March 1, 2001

Miller has made it very clear that the reason he supports Bush in this election is 9/11. He has said that 9/11 made him worry about the future for his grandchildren and great grandchildren. He now supports Bush because he believes he is the best choice to deal with the new more serious threat of terrorism after 9/11. Whether you agree with him or not, his reason for crossing party lines has been very clearly stated and I wouldn't call it flip-flopping when a major event causes a change in opinion.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
millers own words...

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor ? but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 ? when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection ? some might say an obsession ? for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know ? Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.
http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm


guess those delagates shoulda been doing that flip flop dance while he spoke

You left out a very important detail of that speech.
March 1, 2001

Miller has made it very clear that the reason he supports Bush in this election is 9/11. He has said that 9/11 made him worry about the future for his grandchildren and great grandchildren. He now supports Bush because he believes he is the best choice to deal with the new more serious threat of terrorism after 9/11. Whether you agree with him or not, his reason for crossing party lines has been very clearly stated and I wouldn't call it flip-flopping when a major event causes a change in opinion.


So when he says "John has worked to strengthen our military," what does he mean?

 

classy

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Last night he says this

"For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military. "


But 2001 he says this

"John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." "


Zell Miller, like an old horse with a broken leg, should be put down. He is a fraud, Plain and simple. When I look at the guys like this and that scum bag governor we got McGreevy, it makes you just want to vomit.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: classy
Last night he says this

"For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military. "


But 2001 he says this

"John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." "


Zell Miller, like an old horse with a broken leg, should be put down. He is a fraud, Plain and simple. When I look at the guys like this and that scum bag governor we got McGreevy, it makes you just want to vomit.

Don't forget:
"My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend."
 

KK

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: KK
Who the hell votes for someone based on whether the person is a democrat or republican? Apparently blind democrats like you do. And how the heck do you know what the will of the people in Georgia is? What credentials do you have to back up such an idiotic statement? The only normal sounding sentence in your whole spew of garbage included McCain.

KK


Well nothing you said was normal. Politicians represent a party. Folks support that party based on political beliefs. And thus we vote for the candidate who represents the party we support. Idiot

Name calling, real cute there, very classy of you.

Anyways tard, normal people vote for the man/woman, not the party. Keep voting the blind way you always probably have. It suits your personalilty.

KK
 

classy

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: classy
Last night he says this

"For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protestor, Kerry blamed our military. "


But 2001 he says this

"John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." "


Zell Miller, like an old horse with a broken leg, should be put down. He is a fraud, Plain and simple. When I look at the guys like this and that scum bag governor we got McGreevy, it makes you just want to vomit.

Don't forget:
"My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend."

You know, I wonder if him and McGreevy are buds? :Q
 

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: KK
Who the hell votes for someone based on whether the person is a democrat or republican? Apparently blind democrats like you do. And how the heck do you know what the will of the people in Georgia is? What credentials do you have to back up such an idiotic statement? The only normal sounding sentence in your whole spew of garbage included McCain.

KK


Well nothing you said was normal. Politicians represent a party. Folks support that party based on political beliefs. And thus we vote for the candidate who represents the party we support. Idiot
If you vote based on party... who's the idiot? You vote for someone you believe in, a person to represent your POV. If he changes his position on major issues is the day he betrays his constituents.

So when he says "John has worked to strengthen our military," what does he mean?
I guess it means he didn't strengthen it enough because he chaned his position AFTER 9/11.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: KK
Who the hell votes for someone based on whether the person is a democrat or republican? Apparently blind democrats like you do. And how the heck do you know what the will of the people in Georgia is? What credentials do you have to back up such an idiotic statement? The only normal sounding sentence in your whole spew of garbage included McCain.

KK


Well nothing you said was normal. Politicians represent a party. Folks support that party based on political beliefs. And thus we vote for the candidate who represents the party we support. Idiot

Name calling, real cute there, very classy of you.

Anyways tard, normal people vote for the man/woman, not the party. Keep voting the blind way you always probably have. It suits your personalilty.

KK


KK

Why do we have political parties?
Why do voters register with a political affliation?
Why do parties have primarys?

Ok, I'll take back the idiot comment, but can I say your not to bright?

 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: sixone
I'd call him honest. He is beholden to no one, as he has no political future once his term ends. Why not tell the truth, and shame the devil?

Give me f'in break. This man is what is wrong with politics. He lied to the people of Georgia. The will of the people was for him to be elected as a democrat. If he no longer could represent the people's interest, then he should step down. Period. That goes for democrat or republican. These politicains are elected to represent the interests of the american citizens not their own. He is flat out a disgrace. And like I said before when the whole lot them Byrd, Helms, Hatch, Lott, Thurman already has dropped dead, and you add this clown, when all these old flakes either leave office or drop dead, America will be better off. We need folks who have credibility and true honesty. When I look at the kind of folks we need I can look to a McCain or Biden. A lot of this other garbage needs to be taken out a set on the curb for trash pickup. Zell belongs on the curb.

That's entirely untrue. In America we don't elect a party, we elect a man. You elect him because you trust he will make decisions which reflect your beliefs and interests. The fact that he is a member of the Democrat party or Republican party is entirely beside the point. People who are unfamiliar with our form of government, or are just lazy will vote for someone based on his or her being a Democrat or Republican without bothering to find out about the person himself. Is this a man who's decisions I trust? Is this a man I feel will reflect my needs in Washington? Those are the questions you should ask yourself before casting your vote.

WTF? We always have and always will vote for folks who represent the things we believe in. And that is what is called party lines. If even remotely what you say is true then there would be no party lines. If Zell Miller was a republican he would not have been elected. Because to the people of GA a democratic candidate held more of their beliefs than a republican candidate. Please don't give no bs crap about we vote for men and not partys. We vote for men who represent the things we believe in based on what the party represents.
I still disagree. Candidates align themselves with parties that represent many of their ideas. Not all. If anybody votes for a democrat and expects him or her to toe the party line all the time, that person is a fool. There are countries that vote for a party (thereby neglecting any ideas that the candidate may have), but this is not one of those countries.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: KK
Who the hell votes for someone based on whether the person is a democrat or republican? Apparently blind democrats like you do. And how the heck do you know what the will of the people in Georgia is? What credentials do you have to back up such an idiotic statement? The only normal sounding sentence in your whole spew of garbage included McCain.

KK


Well nothing you said was normal. Politicians represent a party. Folks support that party based on political beliefs. And thus we vote for the candidate who represents the party we support. Idiot

Name calling, real cute there, very classy of you.

Anyways tard, normal people vote for the man/woman, not the party. Keep voting the blind way you always probably have. It suits your personalilty.

KK


KK

Why do we have political parties?
Why do voters register with a political affliation?
Why do parties have primarys?

Ok, I'll take back the idiot comment, but can I say your not to bright?

Sure you can say "your not too bright", but I'd prefer "you're".

Why do we have political parties? That's a good question. I personally would like to see all political parties disbanded. It couldn't hurt anything, and it gotta be a hell of a lot better than what we got now.

KK
 

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: sixone
I'd call him honest. He is beholden to no one, as he has no political future once his term ends. Why not tell the truth, and shame the devil?

Give me f'in break. This man is what is wrong with politics. He lied to the people of Georgia. The will of the people was for him to be elected as a democrat. If he no longer could represent the people's interest, then he should step down. Period. That goes for democrat or republican. These politicains are elected to represent the interests of the american citizens not their own. He is flat out a disgrace. And like I said before when the whole lot them Byrd, Helms, Hatch, Lott, Thurman already has dropped dead, and you add this clown, when all these old flakes either leave office or drop dead, America will be better off. We need folks who have credibility and true honesty. When I look at the kind of folks we need I can look to a McCain or Biden. A lot of this other garbage needs to be taken out a set on the curb for trash pickup. Zell belongs on the curb.

It may just be me, but I've always thought we elected people, not parties. Thus, we have "primaries", rather than just voting for the Republican or Democratic platform and being done with it. Now, if his position changed on a major issue or four, you may have something to argue about. If his position didnt change on major issues, then how is he wrong for criticizing his party's leadership and candidate? He stepped out and said "John Kerry is wrong for this country". The reason you are saying he is wrong is that he went against his party. But he said he went against his party because he thought they were going to damage the US with their candidate's policies. So, apparently, loyalty to your party affiliation is more important than loyalty to the USA.

When you believe that your leadership is wrong, speaking out about it is about the most American thing you can do, IMO. Oh, if I think someone protesting is factually wrong I'll call them an asshat, but as long as they are peacefully protesting I dont want to restrict them from doing so. Being pissed off at Zell Miller on the basis of "he went against his party" is as dumb as the people who say "If you dont like the USA, leave." Now, if you wish to make an argument that "Zell Miller was wrong because" and then list some facts, that is different. But to criticize him solely on the basis of "he spoke out against his party" is a good example of human stupidity. And I'm willing to bet if a Republican spoke out against Bush, the people currently speaking against Zell Miller would suddenly see no problem with a politician criticizing his party.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: sixone
I'd call him honest. He is beholden to no one, as he has no political future once his term ends. Why not tell the truth, and shame the devil?

Give me f'in break. This man is what is wrong with politics. He lied to the people of Georgia. The will of the people was for him to be elected as a democrat. If he no longer could represent the people's interest, then he should step down. Period. That goes for democrat or republican. These politicains are elected to represent the interests of the american citizens not their own. He is flat out a disgrace. And like I said before when the whole lot them Byrd, Helms, Hatch, Lott, Thurman already has dropped dead, and you add this clown, when all these old flakes either leave office or drop dead, America will be better off. We need folks who have credibility and true honesty. When I look at the kind of folks we need I can look to a McCain or Biden. A lot of this other garbage needs to be taken out a set on the curb for trash pickup. Zell belongs on the curb.

It may just be me, but I've always thought we elected people, not parties. Thus, we have "primaries", rather than just voting for the Republican or Democratic platform and being done with it. Now, if his position changed on a major issue or four, you may have something to argue about. If his position didnt change on major issues, then how is he wrong for criticizing his party's leadership and candidate? He stepped out and said "John Kerry is wrong for this country". The reason you are saying he is wrong is that he went against his party. But he said he went against his party because he thought they were going to damage the US with their candidate's policies. So, apparently, loyalty to your party affiliation is more important than loyalty to the USA.

When you believe that your leadership is wrong, speaking out about it is about the most American thing you can do, IMO. Oh, if I think someone protesting is factually wrong I'll call them an asshat, but as long as they are peacefully protesting I dont want to restrict them from doing so. Being pissed off at Zell Miller on the basis of "he went against his party" is as dumb as the people who say "If you dont like the USA, leave." Now, if you wish to make an argument that "Zell Miller was wrong because" and then list some facts, that is different. But to criticize him solely on the basis of "he spoke out against his party" is a good example of human stupidity. And I'm willing to bet if a Republican spoke out against Bush, the people currently speaking against Zell Miller would suddenly see no problem with a politician criticizing his party.
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I think I agree with every word in this post.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: bozack
However good luck getting balanced responses here...if you don't agree with a liberal pov than your just "wrong"

I have always found that liberals are far out weighed by conservatives in forums that are specifically called "political." Most are crazy Republicans who hardly know what is going on but just cut and paste stuff from the RNC. Maybe it is just that liberals do not care to argue with the nieve.

I am not sure how it is here but this experience is from other forums.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Staples
Originally posted by: bozack
However good luck getting balanced responses here...if you don't agree with a liberal pov than your just "wrong"

I have always found that liberals are far out weighed by conservatives in forums that are specifically called "political." Most are crazy Republicans who hardly know what is going on but just cut and paste stuff from the RNC. Maybe it is just that liberals do not care to argue with the nieve.

I am not sure how it is here but this experience is from other forums.

Stop by P&N sometime here. It's a liberal circle-jerk.
 
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