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Indeed.From what I remember Nuvia's OG focus was an ARM64 server core so it doesn't seem a stretch that design specs were altered negatively to favor QC's WARMtop/smartphone focus instead.
They will since nothing stops them.don't think AMD will price 8950X @ $999
Why would they sell unquestionable leadership si for less?In fact, I think AMD will price Ryzen 8000 series similar to current pricing of Zen4
A lot, lot more expensive.There is X3D version of Zen 5 coming and I believe AMD will position it like current one
Market conditions still constrain pricing.They will since nothing stops them.
Zen 4, or 4C doesn't have remotely the logical size and Perf/GHz that Apple's Performance cores have, and Perf/Area - before I hear this tired line about Zen 4 vs Arm/Apple in particular - is overrated when that Performance is reliant on ridiculous wattages unsuitable for cloud server cases and most client use cases (at least if you want any decent battery life...). Needs qualification.That's what you'd think, isn't it?
In reality, without L2 they're exactly the same at ~2.6 mm².
That's comparing Avalanche in A15/M2 with regular Zen4. Of course, Everest is even larger.
And Zen4c is less than 1.5 mm².
Not in DIY.Market conditions still constrain pricing.
Frankly irrelevant, the perf will say it all.They also still have the AM4 -> AM5 platform migration problem to swim against wherein many don't want to pay out for a new mobo and DDR5 RAM, especially as AMD mobos have increased in price dramatically since Zen1.
The performance.Pricing the SKUs too high will only make that problem worse unless DDR5 becomes ridiculously cheap and/or AMD strong arm the OEMs to set a more reasonable ceiling on mobo prices which seems unlikely.
Oh it's still very area efficient; nothing the size of GLC or anything.Looking forward to watching the signs flip on these arguments once AMD grows a brain and builds a chonk core that does well at modest clocks - all for it, but it will be funny.
The writing's been on the wall since Zen3 got a 19% IPC bump with little in a way of rename or OoO capacity creep.I'm surprised (impressed by the honesty for once) people like "Spec" (adroc_thurston) will admit this
If thats the case, they can keep it.$999 take it or leave it.
Lol.If thats the case, they can keep it.
You will be the first running to buy it, then.I would be willing to pay that much for 24C, but not another 16C.
It's gonna be worth it still.If the vanilla 16C ends up being $999
There's a chance Zen6 won't be AM5.May as well hold out until the best of (hopefully) AM5
Thats really up to anyone to decide.It's gonna be worth it still.
Not really, just that market conditions will be such.Thats really up to anyone to decide.
Oh well, you'll see the bar charts on launch anyway.the rumored ~30 percent performance increase, is not worth it, not for 999 i mean
Market conditions are that desktop PC sales are crashing. Inflation makes everyone around the world hold back on non-essential purchases like CPUs and new PCs.Not really, just that market conditions will be such.
Intel DT client rev was literally up last Q. Lol.Market conditions are that desktop PC sales are crashing
There is none.I'm expecting a potential 24C Zen5
Is $999 lower than 7950X?And 16C Zen5 should be priced much lower than 7950X.
They won't, it'll fly off the shelves just like Zen3 did.and AMD will overstock on Zen5.
If thats the case, they can keep it.
I would be willing to pay that much for 24C, but not another 16C.
That's pretty bold. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.$999 take it or leave it.
Intel DT client rev was literally up last Q. Lol.
Huh? 7950X was $699 at launch. As I said, a potential 24C Zen5 (whether there will be such a CPU or not) should be priced the same, i.e. $699 and not $999. And 16C Zen5 lower.Is $999 lower than 7950X?
Of course Zen5 have better perf than Zen4. Why release it otherwise?They won't, it'll fly off the shelves just like Zen3 did.
It's very-very good and there are no other options of the same perf level.
AMD revenue drops 9% as PC chip sales decline sharply
AMD's report comes as the PC industry is in a deep slump, with shipments dropping 30% in the first quarter, according to IDC.www.cnbc.com
"AMD revenue drops 9% as PC chip sales decline sharply"
"AMD’s report comes as the PC industry is in a deep slump, with shipments dropping 30% in the first quarter, according to IDC."
Huh? 7950X was $699 at launch. As I said, a potential 24C Zen5 (whether there will be such a CPU or not) should be priced the same, i.e. $699 and not $999. And 16C Zen5 lower.
AMD had stayed on max 16C for standard desktop for far too long. They're going to be run over by Intel soon in MT perf if they do not increase core count. They need to bump core count just like they did with Zen (8C) and Zen2 (16C). AMD has stagnated since then.
Of course Zen5 have better perf than Zen4. Why release it otherwise?
But people are not prepared to pay the amount of money for it that you think. They'll buy Zen3/Zen4 or Intel instead. Also, Zen5 will soon after release be competing with Intel Arrow Lake (8P + 32E), which potentially will stomp on Zen5 in MT workloads.
They can, so they will.That's pretty bold.
Ehhh, that was baby mode.I think it'll be a return to the Zen 3 pricing where the 5950X was selling at $799.99
Where does this say "desktop"?"AMD revenue drops 9% as PC chip sales decline sharply"
"AMD’s report comes as the PC industry is in a deep slump, with shipments dropping 30% in the first quarter, according to IDC."
Why would they sell more silicon for less, when competition shotgunned itself?As I said, a potential 24C Zen5 (whether there will be such a CPU or not) should be priced the same, i.e. $699 and not $999. And 16C Zen5 lower.
For a long while more.AMD had stayed on max 16C for standard desktop for far too long.
Absolutely irrelevant.They're going to be run over by Intel soon in MT perf
No such thing.with Intel Arrow Lake (8P + 32E
It'll be a lot slower in 1t so it's dead.which potentially will stomp on Zen5 in MT workloads.
Does this suggest a higher cache size or faster cache?A lot, lot more expensive.
Hold on, you're saying that Zen 5 will outperform ARL by a wider margin than Zen 3 outperformed RKL?Ehhh, that was baby mode.
Perf gap wasn't as big as we're dealing with here.
Just a bigger CCD and yea, faster caches too to feed the creature.Does this suggest a higher cache size or faster cache?
Oh hell yea.Hold on, you're saying that Zen 5 will outperform ARL by a wider margin than Zen 3 outperformed RKL?
Man we're so back to 2006.Just from the memory bandwidth advantages alone it
Well that's about as irrelevant as it could ever be.ARL will run DDR5-6400 JEDEC and should implement DDR5 CKD (client clock driver).
You're incorrectly assuming everyone just cares about ST perf and not MT perf.Absolutely irrelevant.
ST perf is king.
2ch is fairly limiting for pushing nT perf outside of cinememe, but Zen5 cinememe perf is off the charts anyway.
No such thing.
ARL-S is just 8161.
It'll be a lot slower in 1t so it's dead.