I was talking about this trolled 'leek' I posted, it's nothing actually real lol.which leak? You post walls of text most days.
did you link to the correct post? you're talking about intel laptops.I was talking about this trolled 'leek' I posted, it's nothing actually real lol.
But I am genuinely curious about the uOP and dual decoders possibilities on Zen 5.
Oop I meant this postdid you link to the correct post? you're talking about intel laptops.
you won't hear much about zen 5 until 2 months before launch.amd has become a tight ship over time and intel became the town bicycle more than a decade ago with people knowing everything months to a year in advance.
hmm don't quote me on this but i believe zen 5 cores are a cleansheet design. 15-25% ipc gain isn't going to be good enough. amd learned from their mistakes with zen 2 by launching a new dramatic chipset and processor design as you recall zen+ was still a mono design. am5 launched with a refreshed zen 3 as zen 4 establishing the chipet. I don't expect x770 to come out and if it does I don't see it offering a whole lot over x670, the latter of which is getting rollouts to allow higher capacity dram. the prevailing issue on some x670 mobos are memory related and down to the bios and nothing physically wrong. Whatever amd does needs to be enough to make intel's then arrow a nothingburger or even the future panther lake.Oop I meant this post
Zen 3 was also a "from scratch" architecture though, so 15-25% would be pretty in line. And it's not like we have any reason to expect substantially more than that from Intel in the short term either, so why wouldn't it be "good enough"?hmm don't quote me on this but i believe zen 5 cores are a cleansheet design. 15-25% ipc gain isn't going to be good enough. amd learned from their mistakes with zen 2 by launching a new dramatic chipset and processor design as you recall zen+ was still a mono design. am5 launched with a refreshed zen 3 as zen 4 establishing the chipet. I don't expect x770 to come out and if it does I don't see it offering a whole lot over x670, the latter of which is getting rollouts to allow higher capacity dram. the prevailing issue on some x670 mobos are memory related and down to the bios and nothing physically wrong. Whatever amd does needs to be enough to make intel's then arrow a nothingburger or even the future panther lake.
im under the firm belief amd didn't expect raptor lake to be as good as it was, and neither did intel. High power use aside it's a really good chip series and anyone who says it isn't apart from high power is lying to themselves. I explained to gedda that Intel has a goal but they're unsure if they'll simply meat that goal or blow past it. Zen 3 was more than just a new core design. If I had to guess here AMD is aiming for at minimum a true 30% ipc increase or higher. It gets even tougher with their plans on implementing various ai and hardware accelerators allegedly from their xilinx acquisition just as Intel plans on implementing that same tech. Microsoft said a few months ago they plan on developing windows to make sure of ai and hardware accelerators on processors. It took apple to do their own thing to wake up the idiots at these companies and realize they're leaving a lot of potential performance on the table.Zen 3 was also a "from scratch" architecture though, so 15-25% would be pretty in line. And it's not like we have any reason to expect substantially more than that from Intel in the short term either, so why wouldn't it be "good enough"?
AMD and/or Intel might not have expected quite such a gain from Raptor Lake, but I can't say I see the relevance. It's not like they could just decide to add +10% more IPC because of it. And we have very little to go on regarding Lion Cove. Imo, it just boils down to the fact that both AMD's new uarchs and incremental changes have been relatively consistent in their gains, and there's little to indicate that they even can provide +30% in Zen 5's expected timeline.im under the firm belief amd didn't expect raptor lake to be as good as it was, and neither did intel. High power use aside it's a really good chip series and anyone who says it isn't apart from high power is lying to themselves. I explained to gedda that Intel has a goal but they're unsure if they'll simply meat that goal or blow past it. Zen 3 was more than just a new core design. If I had to guess here AMD is aiming for at minimum a true 30% ipc increase or higher. It gets even tougher with their plans on implementing various ai and hardware accelerators allegedly from their xilinx acquisition just as Intel plans on implementing that same tech. Microsoft said a few months ago they plan on developing windows to make sure of ai and hardware accelerators on processors. It took apple to do their own thing to wake up the idiots at these companies and realize they're leaving a lot of potential performance on the table.
Were you born dumb or became dumb through repeated blows to your head? You didn't consider that AMD couldn't have seen Intel's roadmap and extrapolated performance output based on Intel's generation over generation performance increases including but not limited to slapping on more cores and changing microarchitecture?AMD and/or Intel might not have expected quite such a gain from Raptor Lake, but I can't say I see the relevance.
You don't say, Sherlock? Did you miss the fact that roadmaps exist and they would have planning accordingly developing Zen 4 several years ago and underestimated Intel's future processor design capability? Are you under some impression that neither company knows of each other's roadmaps before most of the general public does through leaks?. It's not like they could just decide to add +10% more IPC because of it.
There was little to indicate Intel could get their house in order and there was little to indicate Zen 2 and Zen 3 were anything great as they turned out to be. There was also little indication that AMD's Zen 4 could have performed as well as it did despite all the naysers, but we're here in the current and we know they did well. AMD beginning Zen 4's design several years ago had estimated that Intel would have improved but not at the level they had with Raptor minus the power use. Going back a few sentences here there was little to indicate AMD could have pulled off the IPC increases they did with Zen 2 and 3.And we have very little to go on regarding Lion Cove. Imo, it just boils down to the fact that both AMD's new uarchs and incremental changes have been relatively consistent in their gains, and there's little to indicate that they even can provide +30% in Zen 5's expected timeline.
Except there is. Unless M$ is consistent on doing all AI server side then they'll be relying on localised efforts. If the necessary hardware doesn't exist it's slow.As for AI, that will definitely be a focus for Microsoft, but again has almost nothing to do with CPU uarch.
MS hasn't demanded anything. I'd love to see what source you have unless you pulled that out of your behind. MS incorporating AI in the future relies on hardware support. You either have it or don't. MS isn't in the position to axe more historic processor lines than they did with Windows 11.MS demands everyone add dedicated inference accelerators. For Intel, that's Movidius IP, and for AMD, Xilinx.
You still seem to be under the impression that AMD can arbitrarily set IPC targets. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.You didn't consider that AMD couldn't have seen Intel's roadmap and extrapolated performance output based on Intel's generation over generation performance increases including but not limited to slapping on more cores and changing microarchitecture?
MS requires you have a dedicated inference accelerator for "Windows Studio" effects.MS hasn't demanded anything.
In case you weren't aware, none of these inference accelerators are CPUs. And if I have to spell it out even more blatantly, CPU uarch only applies to CPUs...Except there is. Unless M$ is consistent on doing all AI server side then they'll be relying on localised efforts. If the necessary hardware doesn't exist it's slow.
You seem more interested in bending over backwards to insult people than discussing anything related to computers.I've no children of my own but I didn't think I had to treat a twenty something as a child explaining basic concepts to them on a Thursday evening.
Again, I realize it's hard to read and why people like Mark need to correct you often because you cannot read, like here. I never said they set an arbitrary number. Please don't put words in my mouth, child. I said they set a goal. They can get close, meet or pass that goal. Does that make more sense or shall I dumb it down further so it can go through your eyes, into your cortex and you can then comprehend what I've said?You still seem to be under the impression that AMD can arbitrarily set IPC targets. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.
And this is how I know you're as clueless as you are. This isn't what I was referring to. What about future Windows do you not understand? Microsoft has goals beyond the next 2-3 years. We're talking about the next 15-20 years of Windows development. Shall I explain how long a year is now?MS requires you have a dedicated inference accelerator for "Windows Studio" effects.
Again, no. You cannot read. Is English not your first language? It's understandable if it isn't and I apologize if it isn't. I do understand that some English phrases may be difficult to non native speakers.Ironic to whine about explaining basic concepts when you're grossly unfamiliar with the topic at hand.
If I wanted to insult you I'd simply tell you what I thought of you.You seem more interested in bending over backwards to insult people than discussing anything related to computers.
If you're just here to troll, then find another forum. It was clearly my mistake to think you were even the slightest bit interested in computing.Again, I realize it's hard to read and why people like Mark need to correct you often because you cannot read, like here. I never said they set an arbitrary number. Please don't put words in my mouth, child. I said they set a goal. They can get close, meet or pass that goal. Does that make more sense or shall I dumb it down further so it can go through your eyes, into your cortex and you can then comprehend what I've said?
And this is how I know you're as clueless as you are. This isn't what I was referring to. What about future Windows do you not understand? Microsoft has goals beyond the next 2-3 years. We're talking about the next 15-20 years of Windows development. Shall I explain how long a year is now?
Again, no. You cannot read. Is English not your first language? It's understandable if it isn't and I apologize if it isn't. I do understand that some English phrases may be difficult to non native speakers.
If I wanted to insult you I'd simply tell you what I thought of you.
If anyone is a troll it's you. Don't play victim when you're clueless and try to weasel your way out of everything.If you're just here to troll, then find another forum. It was clearly my mistake to think you were even the slightest bit interested in computing.
this video is a complete waste of timeJust for fun
Disclaimer: I have not watched the video yet, just posting for the memes
If you fan of AMD and your are feeling bad, catch cold or something else.this video is a complete waste of time
he pulled the 15-26% IPC and 2-9% clock increase out of his behind
thats like saying ST performance is 17-37% higher. No shit, Sherlock!
"my sources say" ... yeah, sure, whatever.
Honestly, I'm surprised his IPC numbers are as reasonable as they are, given the insane hype around Zen 5 coupled with his particular history. Of course, the range is still so wide he's clearly BSing as usual, but no sense stating the obvious.If you fan of AMD and your are feeling bad, catch cold or something else.
There are good therapy. Your can watch MLIDs new video about zen5 and your hormones of happiness breaks new high.
It may simply offer a lower power chipset for the same IO.I don't expect x770 to come out and if it does I don't see it offering a whole lot over x670
The server / workstation / datacenter market is no small thing, and those guys are pretty power / thermals conscious.High power use aside it's a really good chip series and anyone who says it isn't apart from high power is lying to themselves
Of course, but what does that have to do with raptor lake for desktop which is what I was talking about?The server / workstation / datacenter market is no small thing, and those guys are pretty power / thermals conscious.
Ah fair, I'm one of those pesky power (mostly sound) conscious desktop users though.Of course, but what does that have to do with raptor lake for desktop which is what I was talking about?