Not much besides Suggs being chief on 2/5.No, there has been some continuity between Zen 1, 2 and again 5
I am an average joe when it comes to software, I am a HW enthusiast, but I never took a typing class. I had a TRS80 Radio Shack computer, I just never got into the coding language. I know enough to get in trouble, but not enough to make things effortlessly.Sure, it’s possible. But will the Average Joe and the masses do it, when Win10 on their PC or laptop tells them it’s not possible to upgrade to Win11 due to missing TPM?
Based on what you write, you're not an Average Joe.I am an average joe when it comes to software, I am a HW enthusiast, but I never took a typing class. I had a TRS80 Radio Shack computer, I just never got into the coding language. I know enough to get in trouble, but not enough to make things effortlessly.
That being said, I put W11 on a 8320, 8350, and an i750 with P55 chipset. All work fine. Using GTX 780 to play D4 with adjusted settings on the legacy driver. Ect. ect.
I think you don't give the avg joes much credit. Because they are the Tech Support for the Boomers.
My nephew in law, refused to install w11 due to laziness. 12900k box with RTX370Ti. Has a M.2 drive onboard. but is running w10 off a HDD due to laziness of migrating to the m.2 as a boot drive. Streams on Twitch, and is oblivious to the box that he got help getting.
approx 20 years age difference, he can type. I peck.
Yet we still dont know whether to believe 30 percent plus perf increases implied by you, or way more modest numbers by the usual suspects (RGT, MLID,...)Turin-D vs Bergamo.
I mean they're just not public.
This is one is actually new and interesting since Zen5 is very set in stone.
The context is SIR2017.Technically, all these percentages can possibly be true, but in totally different contexts.
True, but when such numbers are given, its either meant us some average mean, or alternatively these days, CB scores. Thats what i meant. Even if personally, i would be specifically curious about speedup in viewport performance in CAD apps,Technically, all these percentages can possibly be true, but in totally different contexts.
It means SIR 2017 rate 1 or N.True, but when such numbers are given, its either meant us some average mean, or alternatively these days, CB scores. Thats what i meant. Even if personally, i would be specifically curious about speedup in viewport performance in CAD apps,
Applebench isn't relevant, it's all about SIR2017.Looking at M3 Geekbench 6 scores compared to 7840U even if Zen 5 is a huge jump -- with 30% improved 1T performance overall -- it would only be parity with M3 in 1T performance.
So AMD really does need Zen 5 to be a miracle (in laptops). Other markets (server, desktop) they don't need a miracle, just 15-20% or so would be fine.
I repeatedly hear that I am the only person in the world who leaves the walled garden but I don't buy it.@gdansk, most people don't make a choice between Walled Garden computing devices and general computing devices based on relative microbenchmark scores.
For laptops? I understand GB has little relevancy for one of Zen 5's key markets (servers) but it looks like it'll be shipping (or paper launching?) in laptops first.Applebench isn't relevant, it's all about SIR2017.
For everything.For laptops? I understand GB has little relevancy for one of Zen 5's key markets (servers) but it looks like it'll be shipping (or paper launching?) in laptops first.
I follow hardware, wish I had learned software better, on that route it is a work at it until I figure it out kind of thing.Based on what you write, you're not an Average Joe.
Looking at M3 Geekbench 6 scores [...] AMD really does need Zen 5 to be a miracle (in laptops).
@gdansk, most people don't make a choice between Walled Garden computing devices and general computing devices based on relative microbenchmark scores.
I did not claim that nobody makes that choice. I claimed that among the criteria to choose one or another or both, microbenchmark results are not exactly at the top, for most people, private or corporate, who do indeed make the choice. Though maybe I am wrong and am underestimating the importance of Geekbench scores in people's lives and work.I repeatedly hear that I am the only person in the world who leaves the walled garden but I don't buy it.
What will be the starting price of a PC laptop with 32GB memory and 1TB SSD vs a M3 laptop with similar configuration?Looking at M3 Geekbench 6 scores compared to 7840U even if Zen 5 is a huge jump -- with 30% improved 1T performance overall -- it would only be parity with M3 in 1T performance.
So AMD really does need Zen 5 to be a miracle (in laptops). Other markets (server, desktop) they don't need a miracle, just 15-20% or so would be fine.
If 30% IPC is true, then It should look like this ->Looking at M3 Geekbench 6 scores compared to 7840U even if Zen 5 is a huge jump -- with 30% improved 1T performance overall -- it would only be parity with M3 in 1T performance.
So AMD really does need Zen 5 to be a miracle (in laptops). Other markets (server, desktop) they don't need a miracle, just 15-20% or so would be fine.
| Acer Swift Edge R7 7840U 30/18W | Strix Point +30% IPC, +50% cores | Apple Mac Mini M2 19W | Apple Mac Studio M2 Max 36W | MacBook Pro 14 M3 20W | MacBook Pro 16 M3 Max 56W | |
| Geekbench 6.2 Single-Core | 2,562 | 3,331 | 2,650 | 2,692 | 3,099 | 3,096 |
| Geekbench 6.2 Multi-Core | 10,763 | 20,988 | 10,034 | 14,863 | 11,966 | 21,243 |
I checked corporate models (here in Finland) which are available, prices VAT 0%What will be the starting price of a PC laptop with 32GB memory and 1TB SSD vs a M3 laptop with similar configuration?
Geekbench 6, with its changes from 5, has become the best cross platform micro-benchmark for actual user experience. That GB6 1T also tracks with both SPEC 1T and browser performance (the one workload to rule them all) is just cherry on top for us ultra-reductionists. But even if it didn't it will continue to appear in basically every review of laptops (synonymous with most the PC market) which - along with the reviewers thoughts on the device - does influence consumer purchasing behavior.If 30% IPC is true, then It should look like this ->
Not sure why should 1T Geekbench even matter, but these results look very good even against the bigger M3 Max.
Acer Swift Edge
R7 7840U
30/18WStrix Point
+30% IPC,
+50% coresApple Mac Mini
M2
19WApple Mac Studio
M2 Max
36WMacBook Pro 14
M3
20WMacBook Pro 16
M3 Max
56WGeekbench 6.2 Single-Core 2,562 3,331 2,650 2,692 3,099 3,096 Geekbench 6.2 Multi-Core 10,763 20,988 10,034 14,863 11,966 21,243
BTW, this Strix would be at worst PL2: 30*1.3=39W and PL1: 18*1.3*1.5=35W.
And you say only on par with M3.
Of course, you can say that Apple will release M4 next year, but can we expect some significant improvement from It? I don't think so in 1T, at least in nT they can still add more cores.
Sorry, I am "CB rules them all", although with the release of CB24 not sure any more considering M3 saw a big increase compared to CB R23.Geekbench 6, with its changes from 5, has become the best cross platform micro-benchmark for actual user experience. That GB6 1T also tracks with both SPEC 1T and browser performance (the one workload to rule them all) is just cherry on top for us ultra-reductionists. But even if it didn't it will continue to appear in basically every review of laptops (synonymous with most the PC market).
Again? Phoenix did pretty good vs M2, look at my table, so not sure what you mean by being competitive again. Btw, let's not forget how much M3 based laptops cost, 1999euro is a lot, especially for basic M3 + 8GB RAM + 512GB SSD.And like I said if Zen 5 in Strix does achieve +30% (i.e. 3300 in GB6 1T) then AMD will have delivered the needed miracle to make x64 competitive again (unless it uses a lot of power).
Sure, again. Phoenix is comparable to M2 devices albeit with higher power and far more variable results. Which is a fair trade-off to most for software compatibility. And if Zen 5 does it again on N4(P?) instead of N3 (like Apple) it'll be even more impressive.Again? Phoenix did pretty good vs M2, look at my table, so not sure what you mean.
I have high expectations from Strix Point. The question is when will they show something about them?Sure, again. Phoenix is comparable to M2 devices albeit with higher power and far more variable results. Which is a fair trade-off to most for software compatibility. And if Zen 5 does it again on N4(P?) instead of N3 (like Apple) it'll be even more impressive.
No, it's a POS burst bench that Apple also affixes the rated clock for, which holds still in literally nothing ever else.Geekbench 6, with its changes from 5, has become the best cross platform micro-benchmark for actual user experience.
June 2024, that MS AI PC event.The question is when will they show something about them?