They're not gonna discount anything Zen5.My point is: I am against fake MSRPs with subsequent deep discounts. Makes the company look amateurish.
They're not gonna discount anything Zen5.
There's no comp pressure.
No, it's just that.BTW, there is more to this then competitive pressure
Margins dawg AMD loves margins.The point is which price point generates the highest total revenue,
Nope, kids will run and make it vanish off the shelves.Which means that AMD would be leaving money on the table at that price.
You forget one important thing.They're not gonna discount anything Zen5.
There's no comp pressure.
They're not rumors.For that - the rumors have to be true, or even close to truth.
No one would've believed accurate Apple M1 pre-launch leaks either. More than Zen 5 performance, I'm actually interested a lot more in seeing Intel's knee jerk reaction to such pwnage. Do they do something truly ridiculous (delidded CPU with bundled thermoelectric cooler) or shifting the goalpost to something inane like sponsoring a AAA title that exclusively uses their Arrow Lake NPU and thus portraying AMD's product as "deficient" with the full force of their marketing resources?It's not that AMD did something special, the others just failed.
Umm..anyone interested in that can just pick up a cheap Intel ARC A380 and pair that with Zen 5.Any improvements to the media engine? ie AMD's Quicksync equivalent in Zen 5?
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Lol. Most people aren't buying your 40% number.
Yes, i had 980x gulftown at one point. Not sure what you mean with this, its not really comparable. That was Extreme Edition CPU and you could not really buy anything better. I am not sure there were even server CPUs with more cores back then, 8 maybe? I dont remember. Anyway, nothing extreme about 9950x, since there will be metric ton of threadrippers and xeons faster at MT than it readily available.While not exactly defending the $999 price, and without any benchmarks that might justify it, does anybody remember the chips in the past that Intel charged $1000 for ? Like even a 6 core ? Maybe even a quad core ? I think it was a 5930 6 core that I bought and it was expensive.
I don't think it would be right to take a bundle and subtract other components at their list prices to arrive the cost of Zen 4. The math on the bundles may be a little more fuzzy than that.
But it still does point to some of the Zen 4 CPUs discounting even deeper under the MSRP. When CPUs are compared under performance / price criteria, reviewers plug in these unrealistic MSRPs.
It doesn't seem like a smart approach of AMD marketing to raise the MSRPs even higher, making the difference between MSRP and street price even greater.
It seems to me that it would be in AMD's interest to stop this lunacy, and instead of perpetuating fictitious MSRP, AMD would take an opportunity (of highly desirable Zen 5 product) to introduce realistic MSRP and maintaining it throughout the channel.
Using micro center is disingenuous, as not everything is available to ship, and the store locations are sparse.I think you are misunderstanding me. The price I posted isn't just the bundle with the RAM and motherboard subtracted at their respective list prices. If you add the individual components into your cart (all items must be in stock) instead of the bundle the CPU price shows up in the cart. If you reserve them that way, the RAM and/or motherboard can be returned (immediately after checkout if you want) and you can keep the CPU for that price.
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true, but maybe in Strix Point.Umm..anyone interested in that can just pick up a cheap Intel ARC A380 and pair that with Zen 5.
You're misinterpreting my position. The entire reason I brought up MC CPU bundle pricing was to speculate on what kind of margin AMD was getting from them. I think it's a fair point to bring up (as is the steady decrease in online retail pricing of Zen 4) when people in the thread are insisting that margin is king for AMD. I even pushed back when another poster used my post to directly compare MC CPU bundle pricing to the 9800X $500 MSRP rumor.Using micro center is disingenuous, as not everything is available to ship, and the store locations are sparse.
As I am looking for a 7900xtx, no option to ship from Micro Center.
The 7700x is $114 and the 7800X3D is $217 at MC with bundle pricing. If you add each individual item from the bundle (don't just add the bundle) you can see prices for the individual items shown in the cart with the discount applied. You can then return the mobo and/or RAM from the bundle if you don't want them, although the discounts are also okay on those items.
I'm not sure how relevant this is to the discussion, but it sure makes you wonder how concerned AMD is with maintaining high margin if they can cut a deal with a major US retailer that allows for discounts like that.
None.Any improvements to the media engine? ie AMD's Quicksync equivalent in Zen 5?
It is quite obvious that Micro Center, either A has a deal with AMD, or B most likely uses it as a loss leader to get you instore to purchase their own increased margin products.You're misinterpreting my position. The entire reason I brought up MC CPU bundle pricing was to speculate on what kind of margin AMD was getting from them. I think it's a fair point to bring up (as is the steady decrease in online retail pricing of Zen 4) when people in the thread are insisting that margin is king for AMD. I even pushed back when another poster used my post to directly compare MC CPU bundle pricing to the 9800X $500 MSRP rumor.
In the first post that I mentioned it, I questioned how relevant it was to the MSRP discussion. While I didn't explicitly explain my reasoning, I thought it was pretty obvious that these are special deals that aren't available to everyone. I also liked posts where this exact point was brought up before you chimed in. Either you haven't been following along carefully, or you are the one being disingenuous.
The gen on gen MSRP increase alone is plenty of reason to doubt this Zen 5 price rumor. The widely available current prices from Amazon and New Egg on Zen 4 strengthens my doubt even further.
The slide which you are referring to showed "10-15%+", not "10-15%". Furthermore, it supposedly referred to socket performance (core count normalized and core clock normalized), rather than isolated core performance.Chip and Cheese pointed that the leaked 10-15% figure is quite modest in respect of the uarch evolution, and indeed it s of the same order as the 13% brought by Zen 4 despite a uarch that is essentialy the same as Zen 3.
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Lol. Most people aren't buying your 40% number.
Why don't CPUs have gold IHSes?Ryzen 9955X3D with gold plated IHS
MSRP- $999
Expensive and copper gets the job done.Why don't CPUs have gold IHSes?
So how about gold electroplating?Gold is soft.
Because real men would buy a diamond IHS instead. Gorge yourself in luxury and higher thermal conductivity than any metal! For $1000 more you can have the limited edition model with faceted sides, so that light creates a rainbow around the fully transparent surface of the IHS, enhancing the view of your expensive piece of sand inside.Why don't CPUs have gold IHSes?