See Qualcomm thread for power efficiency of X Elite at 2W.Zen 5 might actually be a killing stone for WoA. That’s why this year and CES 2025 is crucial for AMD, it makes them leaders
Zen 5 leaks are profoundly disturbing that some individuals feel as though their minds are melting.Let’s stop the Qualcomm/Apple talk here and move it to relevant threads)
Did you see some leaks or did you just write random nonsense?Zen 5 leaks are profoundly disturbing that some individuals feel as though their minds are melting.
A couple guys are already leaking badly IMO.Did you see some leaks or did you just write random nonsense?
something something turin-denseSee Qualcomm thread for power efficiency of X Elite at 2W.
Turing Dense packs 192 Zen 5C cores into a 500W package. So, if discount efficiency losses through uncore and data movement, each Z5C core should be using around 1.5 - 2W per core.Elaborate a bit...
HWK doesn't exist next year.from premium with STX to mainstream with KRK 1/2 and HWK, starting from Q1 25, they'll finally be able to have a foothold into laptop space.
Stx1 is this year, rest CES'25.Will Strix family (Excluding Halo) real availability start this year or only next year?
They already own 1/5th or therein.they'll finally be able to have a foothold into laptop space.
There is no cadence, it all depends on how channel behaves and PC TAM for the year.If AMD follows their current cadence of designs using their latest SoCs only appearing later in the year
So KRK fully replaces it, got it. KRK should be a smaller die than HWK, so it's cheaper for AMD to sell it at lower price points for OEMs.HWK doesn't exist next year.
Premium AI PCs design this year then. That's good. KRK at CES 25 is decent, but only if availability is high and fast.Stx1 is this year, rest CES'25.
They can capture more of the market, specially with a weaker Intel. But that's not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about mindshare, which Intel has a huge advantage and bias towards them from consumers. AMD needs to execute from top to bottom to gain this mindshare and stablish their designs as as good as Intel or even better in the consumer mind.They already own 1/5th or therein.
What?
Channel should be pretty clear next year due to MTL being a low volume part (Same should be true for ARL too). And TAM will be good due to OEMs and MS huge push and marketing towards AI PC, coupled with W10 end of support. So there's huge expectations for people replacing their old laptops.There is no cadence, it all depends on how channel behaves and PC TAM for the year.
Will Kraken / Krackan have an AM5 version like Phoenix2?HWK doesn't exist next year.
I think so. When they've accumulated enough bad chips, they should release Ryzen 7300/7400/8300/8400 etc. There's already a 7500F.Actually, is there ever going to be any cheaper/lowend APU product for AM5, below the level of Ryzen 8300G?
Doesn't have to be the IGP that's disabled. Athlon 3000G was 2c/4t with Vega 3. AM5 Zen 4&5 could possibly see some ultra budget cutdown APUs before it's over. Probably for OEM only, and you'd have to grab a tray model off of AliExpress.Well, 8300G with disabled iGPU doesn't help much since you save some, but lose big on having to buy (surprisingly pricy for what it is) trash like GT 1030.
And keeping on topic: Could someone provide the Dolphin benchmark time for the 7950X/3D? I can't find it.
People will be understanding if it uses a different memory type. If it's still plain-old DDR5 then it would be disliked.No way is AMD abandoning AM5 after only 2 generations
They can go up to DDR5-10000 which has been reached under overclocking conditions already. May need newer mobos with better traces for that, especially for the budget ones but I don't think people would mind buying A720M or B750 mobos if those can work up to DDR5-10000 stock settings of at least CL40.If it's still plain-old DDR5
It's all fallout from Strix Halo questions and that apparently AMD is not decided if Zen 6 is on AM5. Why skip AM5 if it's DDR5?Why are people talking about D6 in the Zen 5 thread anyways? 0% chance AMD implements any form of DDR6 until next arch generation as is.
LOL! No they won't. Both vendors have managed to make new CPUs compatible with more than one generation of DDR over the years. Including Inel's latest platform. That reasoning isn't going to cut it. AM4 set expectations, which during interviews concerning AM5 longevity AMD assured it would have a long life. They will get incinerated if they don't support at least 3 gens on AM5. Mark my words.People will be understanding if it uses a different memory type. If it's still plain-old DDR5 then it would be disliked.
It's a speculation thread so looking in the crystal ball is part and parcel. Some here think it is possible, which spurred responses. But I agree, no chance Zen 6 isn't AM5.Why are people talking about D6 in the Zen 5 thread anyways? 0% chance AMD implements any form of DDR6 until next arch generation as is.
Bro WTF? you linked to Reddit for a main page article? 🤣 BTW, the top 7600X in the Dolphin forum spreadsheet knocks 20 seconds off of Gavin's results there. Tweakers will have Zen 5 well under 120 if the 71% improvement is accurate.Zen 5 might barely make it to 119 seconds
Consider the likely Zen 6 launch date (Zen 5 release and add 20±4 months) and remember AMD's earlier statements: "we're making a commitment to support the AM5 platform with new technologies and next generation architectures through at least 2025".LOL! No they won't. Both vendors have managed to make new CPUs compatible with more than one generation of DDR over the years. Including Inel's latest platform. That reasoning isn't going to cut it. AM4 set expectations, which during interviews concerning AM5 longevity AMD assured it would have a long life. They will get incinerated if they don't support at least 3 gens on AM5. Mark my words.
Just mark my words: No amount of technically correct, the best kind of correct , will save them from the virtual lynch mob if they pull a tick tock with AM5. Zen 5 by most accounts is shaping up to be a champ. They will go from hero to zero at the speed of c in a vacuum. It'll be worse than anything you have seen in a long time. Outrage culture hasn't even reached its final form yet, that could be what does it.Consider the likely Zen 6 launch date (Zen 5 release and add 20±4 months) and remember AMD's earlier statements: "we're making a commitment to support the AM5 platform with new technologies and next generation architectures through at least 2025".
Zen 6 is probably 2026 which means it may or may not be AM5. AMD is keeping its options open for some reason.
yeaSo KRK fully replaces it
Naa.KRK should be a smaller die than HWK,
They're just gonna leverage CPU/GPU/battery life advantages to plow thru the market.so it's cheaper for AMD to sell it at lower price points for OEMs.
many.Premium AI PCs design this year then.
mss is worthless unless you maintain the margin target.They can capture more of the market, specially with a weaker Intel
been like that since RNR lmaoAMD needs to execute from top to bottom to gain this mindshare and stablish their designs as as good as Intel or even better in the consumer mind.
I've no idea.Will Kraken / Krackan have an AM5 version like Phoenix2?
Mendo/Sonoma Valley are Very Different Products for Very Different Things on a Very Different Platform (FT6), not related to anything mainstream/premium mobile.(Or is it as cut-down in IO as Mendocino, making that impossible?)
haha you're funny man.Actually, is there ever going to be any cheaper/lowend APU product for AM5, below the level of Ryzen 8300G?
bold of you to assume DDR6 will ever come to client.Its amazing to me how we're still watching DDR5 roll out to the masses and people are acting like DDR6 is right around the corner, I bet AM6 doesn't happen until at least 2028.
Why are people talking about D6 in the Zen 5 thread anyways? 0% chance AMD implements any form of DDR6 until next arch generation as is.
or they say it's time to bend over and use LPCAMM(2).They can go up to DDR5-10000 which has been reached under overclocking conditions already. May need newer mobos with better traces for that, especially for the budget ones but I don't think people would mind buying A720M or B750 mobos if those can work up to DDR5-10000 stock settings of at least CL40.
well, fatter PCH with x8 uplink for once.Why skip AM5 if it's DDR5?
Really? Bigger than HWK is surprinsing give that we're talking about 8 Z4 Cores + 6WGP against 4(2) Z5 + 4 Z5C cores + 4(2?) WGP. Is the fatter NPU that big of an area glut?Naa.
Alright, that make sense. I'm really excited to see KRK mainstream laptops next year.They're just gonna leverage CPU/GPU/battery life advantages to plow thru the market.
Right. Doesn't DDR6 roadmap projects it for commercial release towards the end of this decade? And with focus on Server. Consumer/Client will fully migrate towards LPDDR on Laptops and LPCAMM2 format on DIY and Laptops.bold of you to assume DDR6 will ever come to client.
Sorta.Is the fatter NPU that big of an area glut?
hell yeah thinkpadsI'm really excited to see KRK mainstream laptops next year.
Earlier. we need the bandwidth.Doesn't DDR6 roadmap projects it for commercial release towards the end of this decade?
bingo, LPCAMM is a wonderful thing and DIMMs suck.Consumer/Client will fully migrate towards LPDDR on Laptops and LPCAMM2 format on DIY and Laptops.