AMD did announce that Zen6 has already taped out. 2026 isn't 100% confirmed, but it is very likely at this point. The chip would have to require some major rework to slip to 2027.
AMD did announce that Zen6 has already taped out. 2026 isn't 100% confirmed, but it is very likely at this point. The chip would have to require some major rework to slip to 2027.That is just a poorly designed image. I wouldn’t read too much into it. I also wouldn’t assume Zen 6 is launching next year without official confirmation.
Not to mention it would be an abysmal track record considering they initially tried to hit 12-15 months for new generations. Currently it has beenAMD did announce that Zen6 has already taped out. 2026 isn't 100% confirmed, but it is very likely at this point. The chip would have to require some major rework to slip to 2027.
I wouldn't hesitate to call it "an epic fail in delivery schedule" considering Zen 6 is supposed to be a rather minor architectural change.
Yeah it's too bad they're changing everything else.considering Zen 6 is supposed to be a rather minor architectural change.
They are tied by TSMCs yields, why release anything early if half the dies are not functional.?
Because N2 yield is looking good, defect density D0 already <0.2:
TSMC-Fortschritte: N2 mit Defektrate wie N3, N5 und N7, großer Erfolg erwartet
Viele Gerüchte rankten zuletzt um TSMCs Ausbeute bei neuen Technologiestufen. Zum Technology Symposium 2025 gibt es Antworten.www.computerbase.de
That s still too high, AMD never used the other processes at this point of the curves, rather when it reach +2Q, wich amount to one year from now plus the necessary time to have enough inventory, so a total of roughly 6 quarters, wich lead us to early Q4 2026 at best.Because N2 yield is looking good, defect density D0 already <0.2:
TSMC-Fortschritte: N2 mit Defektrate wie N3, N5 und N7, großer Erfolg erwartet
Viele Gerüchte rankten zuletzt um TSMCs Ausbeute bei neuen Technologiestufen. Zum Technology Symposium 2025 gibt es Antworten.www.computerbase.de
Blame Intel for AMD’s slow cadence. AMD doesn’t really have any competition, so they aren’t going to speed run advancements.Not to mention it would be an abysmal track record considering they initially tried to hit 12-15 months for new generations. Currently it has been
- Zen 2 -> Zen 3 -> 16 months
- Zen 3 -> Zen 4 -> 22 months
- Zen 4 -> Zen 5 -> 22 months
- Zen 5 -> Zen 6 (in 2027) -> 29+ months
I wouldn't hesitate to call it "an epic fail in delivery schedule" considering Zen 6 is supposed to be a rather minor architectural change.
Intel doesn’t have bad yields for the same reason TSMC doesn’t: EUV. EUV does much of the heavy lifting, so defect rates will be similar, especially since ASML is the only game in town.Intel reported a D0 of <0.4 back in September 2024. Which is pretty good and similar to what TSMC is reporting, when Intel wants to release 18A products in H2/2025. The question is, if 18A has the same D0 reduction trend line.
yeah brother that sure as hell works for Samsung. lolEUV does much of the heavy lifting, so defect rates will be similar, especially since ASML is the only game in town.
It is high when manufacturing now. But still >80% yield for a small <70mm2 Die. Would be acceptable.That s still too high, AMD never used the other processes at this point of the curves, rather when it reach +2Q, wich amount to one year from now plus the necessary time to have enough inventory, so a total of roughly 6 quarters, wich lead us to early Q4 2026 at best.
So if Zen 6 releases by end of 2026 or even 2027, something went wrong.
... because gamers make up so much of the market?There's no need to rush it out if it's not faster than the 9800X3D in games.
... because gamers make up so much of the market?
It is not about rushing. It is about market share and ASP. The earlier AMD can release Zen 6, the more market share they get. And the could charge higher prices for it.There's no need to rush it out if it's not faster than the 9800X3D in games.
DC is number one priorityThe earlier AMD can release Zen 6, the more market share they get
It will undoubtedly be faster than the 9800X3D in games, at least the X3D version, that is.There's no need to rush it out if it's not faster than the 9800X3D in games.
Zen 5 product release order wasThere's no need to rush it out if it's not faster than the 9800X3D in games.
They're not releasing in that order this time around.Zen 5 product release order was
I expect Zen 6 products to appear in similar order.² So yes, if asked I would not recommended to hold one's breath for the top-end video game toys segment to receive its Zen 6 update.
- mobile and generic desktop,¹
- server,
- 1337 g4m1ng desktop.
¹) Mobile used to trail same-generation desktop, but not anymore.
²) Actually a preview towards Zen 6 mobile has already been released by way of Strix Halo.
Besides of general clockrate and IPC increases: As the new IOD will likely enhance memory throughput and latencies, the L3$ increases by +50% and I speculate that the core gets better latency hiding capabilities on top (bigger INT register file, bigger reorder buffer, better branch predictor, maybe bigger L1I cache), I somehow get tempted to assume, that even the non-X3D SKUs could beat the 9800X3D in games. Zen 6 non-X3D needs to be roughly 1.3x faster than a 9700X to achieve this and I believe that is possible with aforementioned updates. Zen 4 vs. Zen 3 was already right up there (on average the 7700X is roughly on par with a 5800X3D).It will undoubtedly be faster than the 9800X3D in games, at least the X3D version, that is.
Samsung is…special. 🤣yeah brother that sure as hell works for Samsung. lol
How do you know that ? and what is the order you believe it will be ?They're not releasing in that order this time around.
Color? Smell?Yeah it's too bad they're changing everything else.