Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

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OneEng2

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You should try asking people.
You should try basing your analysis (and I use that word REALLY liberally) on something other than "feelings".

I am not even saying your guessing about N2 is impossible. I am simply saying your confidence in your guessing isn't backed up by current behavior at AMD or any AMD statements .... or any other reliable source. You simply state that your opinion MUST be correct and all others MUST be wrong.

I got to give you an "A" in confidence with an "F" in analysis.
 

adroc_thurston

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You should try basing your analysis (and I use that word REALLY liberally) on something other than "feelings".
It's not analysis, it's all on AMD's pptware.
I am not even saying your guessing about N2 is impossible.
It's not a guess.
Client premium CCD is N2p with 17ML and MiM.
You simply state that your opinion MUST be correct and all others MUST be wrong.
It's not an opinion.
I got to give you an "A" in confidence with an "F" in analysis.
It's not analysis, I'm not anal enough for that. I'm just quoting AMD's pptware.
 

Thunder 57

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Ask people around and you'll get there. Eventually.

Why be difficult? There's another person around here (though not lately) who posted clearly bogus crap and would say the info is out there but never provide a link. I'm not saying what you are posting is bogus, but come on you know what to look for it's a lot easier and quicker for you to just post a link. Also makes you look more credible and not a pain in the ass.
 
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adroc_thurston

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Why be difficult?
Because nothing is free.
Also makes you look more credible and not a pain in the ass.
I'm not here to spoonfeed anyone. It's a petting zoo, not a place for serious discussions.
Have you ever thought you (or your "leaker" friends) are misinterpreting the alleged powerpoint?
I don't think it's possible to 'misinterpret' die config.
You clearly said it was IPC multiple times.
Well it couldn't be clocks, server clocks haven't shifted since Woodcrest.
 

Thunder 57

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Have you ever thought you (or your "leaker" friends) are misinterpreting the alleged powerpoint?

That's why I mentioned Zen 50%. You clearly said it was IPC multiple times.

I think the number was 32%, but yes he clearly said IPC. If you don't believe me look it up .
 

Tigerick

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Because nothing is free.

I'm not here to spoonfeed anyone. It's a petting zoo, not a place for serious discussions.

I don't think it's possible to 'misinterpret' die config.
You sure? I remember you kept saying the die size of N48 is 240mm2 which is total unreasonable. Turn out how big is the die size, hub?
Well it couldn't be clocks, server clocks haven't shifted since Woodcrest.
 

adroc_thurston

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IIRC it was higher sustained clockes due to lower power per core.
Not just sustained, the clock went up a good 1G across most of the stack.
F SKUs are hitting 5G now, that's outright IBM speeds on 'pleb' x86 CPUs.
I remember you kept saying the die size of N48 is 240mm2 which is total unreasonable
I never said that, my child.
I only ever said they're mainstream peanuts.
 

Joe NYC

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Why be difficult? There's another person around here (though not lately) who posted clearly bogus crap and would say the info is out there but never provide a link. I'm not saying what you are posting is bogus, but come on you know what to look for it's a lot easier and quicker for you to just post a link. Also makes you look more credible and not a pain in the ass.

Since there are NDAs, anything that is "credible" and points further out to the future (not publicly announced by the company) cannot be shared.

But since nothing is completely air tight, some info makes its way out, 2nd or 3rd hand. it is up to you to decide how credible it is.
 
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Kaffeekenan

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So in other words you're telling us it is BS and we should ignore everything you say as you feel no obligation to back any of it up with proof even when asked nicely. Gotcha.

Exactly. If you really have good sources, you should leak at least a little bit, in order to show people that you have a credible source. I personally am really annoyed by this beating around the bush type of thing and dropping stupid hints that can be intertreted one way or the other. So @adroc_thurston, if you have the slightest idea about Zen 6, why not tell us some little thing that only people with a source can know and that will be proven in 2026? That way we see that you are credible and listen to you in the future. No one asks for you to upload 7 Terabytes of AMD internal documents. Just something other than weird hints and sarcastic one word answers. I mean yeah, it's of course totally up to you and your decision, but at least for me, I would love to have a valuable source in this forum and not someone that I have to put on my ignorelist, because of annoying hints, that turn out to be BS.
 
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del42sa

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Exactly. If you really have good sources, you should leak at least a little bit, in order to show people that you have a credible source. I personally am really annoyed by this beating around the bush type of thing and dropping stupid hints that can be intertreted one way or the other. So @adroc_thurston, if you have the slightest idea about Zen 6, why not tell us some little thing that only people with a source can know and that will be proven in 2026? That way we see that you are credible and listen to you in the future. No one asks for you to upload 7 Terabytes of AMD internal documents. Just something other than weird hints and sarcastic one word answers. I mean yeah, it's of course totally up to you and your decision, but at least for me, I would love to have a valuable source in this forum and not someone that I have to put on my ignorelist, because of annoying hints, that turn out to be BS.
yes, perhaps something like AdoredTV´s ZEN5 "ladder cache" leak
 

inquiss

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Since there are NDAs, anything that is "credible" and points further out to the future (not publicly announced by the company) cannot be shared.

But since nothing is completely air tight, some info makes its way out, 2nd or 3rd hand. it is up to you to decide how credible it is.
This, so much this. I get that people here want reliable "proof" for things that are top secret but asking for a link is, well, kinda missing the point.

You'll either get a rumour website which ends up in a debate about credibility or you get an official website which likely has its info based on public information which likely came from the company itself.

If it's sufficiently in the future and non-public asking for proof is backwards. It's up to you to work out which of the whispers and hearsay, which can never be publicly confirmed, can be trusted, or at least considered.
 

inquiss

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Exactly. If you really have good sources, you should leak at least a little bit, in order to show people that you have a credible source. I personally am really annoyed by this beating around the bush type of thing and dropping stupid hints that can be intertreted one way or the other. So @adroc_thurston, if you have the slightest idea about Zen 6, why not tell us some little thing that only people with a source can know and that will be proven in 2026? That way we see that you are credible and listen to you in the future. No one asks for you to upload 7 Terabytes of AMD internal documents. Just something other than weird hints and sarcastic one word answers. I mean yeah, it's of course totally up to you and your decision, but at least for me, I would love to have a valuable source in this forum and not someone that I have to put on my ignorelist, because of annoying hints, that turn out to be BS.
"Please give me non public information because then people will take you seriously" what if someone doesn't care if you think they're credible or not?

Your argument here relies on this someone wanting to prove themselves in your eyes, to leak stuff for ego or clout.. maybe people on random tech forums post for fun rather than because they want the other random forums members to like them.
 
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