Nice friends. Hope you send them gifts from time to time. Curious why AMD is holding off. Watching DDR6 development?? That would require a new IOD (2x mem channels), and thus a likely socket change.let's just say having friends helps
You're not aloneI must be getting old. You keep saying T&L and I keep reading it as "Transform & Lighting". Hardware T&L was a big deal back in the day.
Then I realized you meant Thin & Light.
For one day I hear....chill.Just what we needed when the hype train was achieving dangerous velocity, a big earthquake.
Zen 5 will be delayed a bit, right? TSMC fabs in Taiwan had to stop working.
So Zen 6? Zen 6 is to bring huge changes to uncore and advanced packaging.Curious why AMD is holding off. Watching DDR6 development?? That would require a new IOD (2x mem channels), and thus a likely socket change.
Digitimes reports that while production was halted, some production lines will resume in 6 hours. But per Bloomberg, the earthquake created an structural damage at Fab 18 (?) which is where the majority of N5 class and N3 class wafers are processed. So far it was said that EUV machinery was halted.Just what we needed when the hype train was achieving dangerous velocity, a big earthquake.
Zen 5 will be delayed a bit, right? TSMC fabs in Taiwan had to stop working.
TSMC, the main contract chipmaker to Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp., moved staff out of certain areas and said it’s assessing the impact of a temblor measuring 7.4 in magnitude off the east coast. Smaller local rival United Microelectronics Corp. also halted machinery at some plants and evacuated certain facilities at its hubs of Hsinchu and Tainan, it said in a statement.
A source familiar with TSMC told DIGITIMES Asia that TSMC's N3 fab in Tainan "saw its beams and columns broken, and the production lines have been halted. EUV machines have all stopped, while its R&D lab also saw its wall cracked." The same source also said that a TSMC fab in Hsinchu is also seeing pipelines broken. The production line has been halted due to extensive damaged wafers. The good news is, some production lines will resume operation in six hours.
So any software with AVX+ instructions refuses to run?
Yes. That's why I am surprised they haven't decided yet - unless DDR6 may not come to desktop. I would tend to think packaging changes would affect socket pinouts, but there are ways around that.So Zen 6? Zen 6 is to bring huge changes to uncore and advanced packaging.
Between:Nice friends. Hope you send them gifts from time to time. Curious why AMD is holding off. Watching DDR6 development?? That would require a new IOD (2x mem channels), and thus a likely socket change.
You can't.And emulation of these instructions is going to the slowest.
MOP is a tablet part gimmick.LPDDR as Memory On Package
Digitimes and Bloomberg reports were based on a supposed TSMC spokeperson while Wen-Yee Lee report should be from the TSMC itself. So I'm inclined to believe the latter rather than the former.If TSMC's N3 fab "saw its beams and columns broken" that sounds pretty serious to me. Not only can you not immediately restart production until structural issues are repaired, you'd think there is also a good chance that such structural damage also damaged all the plumbing carrying liquids and gases around, meaning a lot of cleanup with tons of work to get back to cleanroom levels of cleanliness.
Pretty conflicting reports with many claims that production was able to be restarted almost immediately and also this. Both can't be true.
I haven't yet gotten around to testing FEX emu, do we know if it performs better than WoA's built in emulation/binary translation?That's very slow and it can't do anything about AVX+ extensions.
Plus there will be piles of compatability issues with legacy stuff.
A5xx power at 3 times the perf will never be not funny.
Probably slower, WoW64 is a competent (or competent enough) thing.do we know if it performs better than WoA's built in emulation/binary translation?
Is there only 1 N3 fab line?If TSMC's N3 fab "saw its beams and columns broken" that sounds pretty serious to me. Not only can you not immediately restart production until structural issues are repaired, you'd think there is also a good chance that such structural damage also damaged all the plumbing carrying liquids and gases around, meaning a lot of cleanup with tons of work to get back to cleanroom levels of cleanliness.
Pretty conflicting reports with many claims that production was able to be restarted almost immediately and also this. Both can't be true.
No they just have a dedicated gigafab for N3 specifically.Is there only 1 N3 fab line?
If Snapdragon X Elite led in ALL metrics, they'd STILL have an uphill battle. They won't. They won't even be close. That is kind of the issue. I take it many of you have never lived through a 'tech bubble' before. The current 'AI' hype is a bubble (note: AI itself is not). So is the whole ARM on desktop thing. Don't get me wrong, the competition is pushing establish players to aim higher, but Qualcomm won't become a dominate player without a change in leadership and a strategic shift. Their corporate culture is based around profitability and killing competition. They can't walk into a marketplace with heavy competition and expect to win with that mindset.This is a cryptic as it can get, but let me guess: Both Intel and AMD will offer a huge leap in perf/W and battery life with Strix and LNL, with next-gen x86 laptops being able to comfortably get 8 working hours of battery life and making Snap X Elite efficiency advantage a wash?
It is also scarily irrelevant to the entire PC market since it can't even run Photoshop on Windows, much less Windows itself. That is why I continue to downplay Apple hardware. Apple COULD have a great product, but tying it to a platform kills it for most people. Will Apple see an uptick in marketshare? Sure, will they reach 50%? not a chance. At all. Same story with Qualcomm. Some of the software I've helped build alone will stop Qualcomm from hitting high marketshare.View attachment 96279
Look at how scary efficient Apple's E-core is.
"AnandTech forum member actively sabotages Qualcomm's attempt at dominating the Windows PC market, in a forum thread intended for pushing Zen 5."Some of the software I've helped build alone will stop Qualcomm from hitting high marketshare.
Intel might regret gimping AVX-AVX2 away from those Celerons and Pentiums and not putting compatibility into *mont cores earlier, since this means almost all software works fine without AVX due to devs needing to maintain Atom compatibility.AVX code is likely in a performance critical part of the application that was optimized. And emulation of these instructions is going to the slowest.
Who are you? The Dumbledore of software devs?Some of the software I've helped build alone will stop Qualcomm from hitting high marketshare.
It is also scarily irrelevant to the entire PC market since it can't even run Photoshop on Windows, much less Windows itself. That is why I continue to downplay Apple hardware. Apple COULD have a great product, but tying it to a platform kills it for most people. Will Apple see an uptick in marketshare? Sure, will they reach 50%? not a chance. At all. Same story with Qualcomm. Some of the software I've helped build alone will stop Qualcomm from hitting high marketshare.