Interesting! Why would Strix Halo win all bandwidth bound tasks.
Also, where have you found that Strix Halo is 8 Zen5 + 8 Zen5C, and not 16 Zen5?
Finally, where have you found that Strix Halo will not be a mololithic die?
Strix Halo is just Fire Range with a way bigger and more expensive PCH, and a different package of course with the 8C memory. So it's 8 or 16 big.
Yeah, you’re right. Forgot about that. So perhaps the idle power consumption will be a bit higher compared to if a monolithic die would be used, but are there any other pros/cons with that affecting the comparison wih 9950X?Just FYI but Strix Halo isn't monolithic. It's using chiplets + advanced packaging (akin to Navi 31 or MI300 or future Zen 6).
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I very, very much doubt that. What's the basis for the claim?
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1 - >$1200 seems like the minimum for premium laptops in US nowadays.Two questions:
1. What price range of laptops will Strix Point be found in? Adroc has mentioned Strix is not a mainstream, but a premium part. What does that mean? >$1000? >$1500?
2. What is the maximum RAM capacity supported by Strix Halo's 256 bit bus?
I asked for the maximum RAM capacity, not RAM speed.2 - LPDDR5X 8533. Strix Halo supports LPDDR5X only
Whatever the max density of LPDDR5X modules available. Realistically, you'll be getting 32 to 64GB in consumer devices, with some 16GB low-end options.I asked for the maximum RAM capacity, not RAM speed.
Is it 128 GB? or 256 GB? Or 192 GB perhaps?
Thats on 128 bit bus. Not 256. We are looking at 128 GB of RAM.Whatever the max density of LPDDR5X modules available. Realistically, you'll be getting 32 to 64GB in consumer devices, with some 16GB low-end options.
We're not getting laptops with 128GB of RAM. Even 64GB is already very hopeful.Thats on 128 bit bus. Not 256. We are looking at 128 GB of RAM.
Hopefully.
He asked what is the maximum capacity for Strix Halo on 256 bit bus.We're not getting laptops with 128GB of RAM. Even 64GB is already very hopeful.
Yes, 16GB would be for a possible 8C + 12/10 WGP 128-bit bus version.
Hence why I said to him the maximum density manufactured at the time.He asked what is the maximum capacity for Strix Halo on 256 bit bus.
NOT WHAT WE ARE GETTING.
OEMs could use this new memory and downclock it, sure. Does it need some customization on the memory controller though? Specially given speeds above 8533 aren't JEDEC sanctioned.The newly announced Samsung LPDDR5X-10700 memory doubles the maximum RAM capacity per package. That means 256 GB RAM on a 256 bit bus.
Mass production of the 10.7Gbps LPDDR5X is scheduled to begin by the second half of the year, following verification with mobile application processor (AP) and mobile device providers.
I dont see the benefit in doing that.OEMs could use this new memory and downclock it
Maybe for next LPDDR6, JEDEC shouldn't put a max speed limit for LPDDR standard. It's useless, becuase the memory makers keep surpassing it. First Micron/SK Hynix did it with LPDDR5T-9600/LPDDR5X-9600, and now Samsung does it with LPDDR5X-10700Does it need some customization on the memory controller though? Specially given speeds above 8533 aren't JEDEC sanctioned.
No way Strix Halo is going to have this LPDDR5X-10700. Mass production only starts in 2024H2, and who knows when it's shipping?It depends on the level of validation. If it needs to memory controller to be robust enough to withstand such speeds, it would be too late for STX Halo.
If 9950X is supposed to be $999 for 16C Zen5, and Strix Halo also has 16C Zen5 but in addition 40-50 TOPS NPU + 40 CU RDNA 3.5 + 3x memory bandwidth + advanced packaging, then Strix Halo should be quite a lot more expensive.1. What price range of laptops will Strix Point be found in? Adroc has mentioned Strix is not a mainstream, but a premium part. What does that mean? >$1000? >$1500?
Higher density per DRAM package.I dont see the benefit in doing that.
Neither Intel nor AMD support anything out of JEDEC standard on Mobile. Maybe this will have to chamge in the next product cycle, but current (this year) designs are locked at 8533X.Maybe for next LPDDR6, JEDEC shouldn't put a max speed limit for LPDDR standard. It's useless, becuase the memory makers keep surpassing it. First Micron/SK Hynix did it with LPDDR5T-9600/LPDDR5X-9600, and now Samsung does it with LPDDR5X-10700
Agreed. But if mass production is starting on 24H2, then premium mobile will be using early next year.No way Strix Halo is going to have this LPDDR5X-10700. Mass production only starts in 2024H2, and who knows when it's shipping?
Yes, it will be expensive. It's basically a Gaming Laptop/Desktop Replacement SoC. Not different from what PS5 or XSX does (Big APUs).If 9950X is supposed to be $999 for 16C Zen5, and Strix Halo also has 16C Zen5 but in addition 40-50 TOPS NPU + 40 CU RDNA 3.5 + 3x memory bandwidth + advanced packaging, then Strix Halo should be quite a lot more expensive.
So the Strix Halo CPU alone ought to be between perhaps $1200-1500. Then the cost of everything else that the laptop consists of must be added on top of that (display, SSD, RAM , keyboard, battery, ...). Adding all of this up means Strix Halo based laptops should be really expensive.