Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Brovane

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Funny how ‘martial law’ wasn’t an issue for elections if he got his $100 million right?

You do know that laws can be changed right? That’s usually how it works in a ‘democracy’ like Ukraine.

It would still be a issue even if money was found because large segments of the Ukrainian population are either in parts of Ukraine occupied by Russia or are refugees living in other countries. Then you have the issue of Russia causing interference with the election.

Ukraine’s constitution holds that the country may not hold parliamentary elections until martial law, in effect since February 24, 2022, is lifted, and for six months thereafter. Several laws would need to be changed in order for presidential elections to be held, which raises its own problems. Even if a legal solution could be found, security, financial, and organizational obstacles to holding free, fair, and representative elections are far more serious.

President Zelensky is not opposed to holding elections but insists they must be held in accordance with the highest standards of democratic elections possible and should not detract from the country’s national defense efforts. Many Ukrainian civic organizations promoting free and fair elections agree on the need to held elections only when the right conditions are present to ensure the integrity of the process and results.
 

Brovane

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Russia is taking huge casualties doing this so if their goal is to preserve their men it is a disaster. The most likely answer for the slow pace of advance is that’s the best they can do.

Neither side (Russia or Ukraine) is able to sustain maneuver warfare anymore. The pace of advance will now be dictated by how fast a man can walk. So yes, this is the best that Russia can do. If the west doesn't act, Ukraine will fall to Russia's advance. The west needs to decide if we want to fight WW3 (Which has already started) in Ukraine or in Poland.

@raildogg Something to keep in mind, Russia is not a isolationist.
 

RnR_au

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Russia is taking huge casualties doing this so if their goal is to preserve their men it is a disaster. The most likely answer for the slow pace of advance is that’s the best they can do.
And then only with the help of their glide bombs. There would have been zero advance if Russia didn't have these.
 

cytg111

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The French is no longer talking if they’re talking when they’ll have boots on the ground and Europe is like “strike anything you can in Russia, gloves off”, while US is still holding back on recommending targets inside actual Russia proper. I think this is a good fit, the nuclear MAD escalation is primarily vs the US, so if you guys keep sending your old shit to UKR, Europe will start getting boots on the ground. FINALLY.
 

raildogg

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Desperation of Ukraine is simply too much now, people evading recruitment and people fleeing the country to avoid being sent to the frontlines.

"Mass exodus from Ukraine is gaining momentum after the signing of the new "mobilization law"
According to Ukrainian sources, lots of abandoned cars have begun to appear along the border with Moldova"


People are also being kidnapped to be sent to the front?!


Not good for Ukraine's morale either as more and more people are being made aware of the great difficulty in continuing this war.
 

fskimospy

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Desperation of Ukraine is simply too much now, people evading recruitment and people fleeing the country to avoid being sent to the frontlines.

"Mass exodus from Ukraine is gaining momentum after the signing of the new "mobilization law"
According to Ukrainian sources, lots of abandoned cars have begun to appear along the border with Moldova"


People are also being kidnapped to be sent to the front?!


Not good for Ukraine's morale either as more and more people are being made aware of the great difficulty in continuing this war.
People similarly fled Russia when they mobilized. It’s sort of expected.

Related to other threads though you are very upset about Israel’s violation of the UN charter. Will you condemn Russia in a similar way?

If not, why?
 

raildogg

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Ukrainians, or other Western proxies?, are attacking inside Russia more frequently it seems.

This is in Voronezh:



This is in Belgorod:


This war is growing with intensity and ferocity now. It will come down to tactics, weaponry and resources. Can the West give Ukraine enough weapons on time or will it only give Ukraine promises? I will post it either way.
 

fskimospy

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Ukrainians, or other Western proxies?, are attacking inside Russia more frequently it seems.

This is in Voronezh:



This is in Belgorod:


This war is growing with intensity and ferocity now. It will come down to tactics, weaponry and resources. Can the West give Ukraine enough weapons on time or will it only give Ukraine promises? I will try to show it either way.
Do you think Russia’s violations of the UN charter should be condemned?
 

raildogg

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Wars are usually illegal aren't they between UN members? It is quite logical to say that the UN would say this violates UN law. But I love how Ukraine supporters try to equivocate Ukraine-Russia conflict with Israel-Palestine genocide and now Israel-Iran conflict. Two different conflicts that require two different threads. Would you like to merge the two threads? I understand Ukraine makes some people here very emotional.

Even the US invasion of Iraq was a violation of UN law, just to name another one. Apparently the Afghanistan invasion of US, and subsequent occupation of two decades and constant conflict, was not illegal.

This is what Putin said about the launch of the Ukraine war:

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.
It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

So according to Russia, NATO expansion is a threat - plain and simple. Therefore, they felt the need to neutralize the Ukrainian government and its military. Whether I agree with this or not doesn't matter too much because it is done. That's why I focus more on trying to end this as best as it can for Russia and Ukraine. Do I condemn Russia? Do you condemn the NATO's unlimited apetite of swallowing more and more countries even though the Soviet Union ended?
 

fskimospy

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Wars are usually illegal aren't they between UN members? It is quite logical to say that the UN would say this violates UN law. But I love how Ukraine supporters try to equivocate Ukraine-Russia conflict with Israel-Palestine genocide and now Israel-Iran conflict. Two different conflicts that require two different threads. Would you like to merge the two threads? I understand Ukraine makes some people here very emotional.

Even the US invasion of Iraq was a violation of UN law, just to name another one. Apparently the Afghanistan invasion of US, and subsequent occupation of two decades and destruction of the country, was not illegal.

This is what Putin said about the launch of the Ukraine war:

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.
It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

So according to Russia, NATO expansion is a threat - plain and simple. Therefore, they felt the need to neutralize the Ukrainian government and its military. Whether I agree with this or not doesn't matter too much because it is done. That's why I focus more on trying to end this as best as it can for Russia and Ukraine. Do I condemn Russia? Do you condemn the NATO's unlimited apetite of swallowing more and more countries even though the Soviet Union ended?
Interesting how Ukraine doing nothing to Russia amounts to a security threat but Hamas killing thousands of Israelis does not.

Dude. You’re the victim of propaganda. Take a step back and realize you’re being used by awful people.

Just say Russia is a horrible imperial power that should be opposed. This would be a morally consistent opinion and it would free you from the propaganda you’re drowning in.
 

raildogg

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Hamas killed thousands of Israelis on Oct 7? Not even the most pro-Israel people would say such a thing. Many were actually victims of Israeli fire from their military. Regardless, I never supported that particular attack and would rather Palestinians have their own country.

No, I am not a victim of propaganda. I try to look for what is going on and post it but just because I am not Team Ukraine, as a good Western puppet would be, that makes me a propagandist. Well, guess what? I am not Team Russia either. I don't care to join teams when it comes to global wars and conflicts. Thank you for your advice though.
 

fskimospy

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Hamas killed thousands of Israelis on Oct 7? Not even the most pro-Israel people would say such a thing. Many were actually victims of Israeli fire from their military. Regardless, I never supported that attack.

No, I am not a victim of propaganda. I try to look for what is going on and post it but just because I am not Team Ukraine, as a good Western puppet would be, that makes me a propagandist. Well, guess what? I am not Team Russia either. I don't care to join teams when it comes to global wars and conflicts. Thank you for your advice though.
Okay, let’s discuss this.

You think Israel’s attack on Gaza is bad because it violates the UN charter. Correct?

Are you claiming Russia’s attack on Ukraine does not violate the UN charter? If not, how?
 

raildogg

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No, that is not correct. Israel's attack is a genocide, pure and simple. They are not fighting a proper government or a proper military, they are bombing and starving innocent civilians without clear goals and definitions.

UN says wars between nations is a violation generally speaking so logically Russia did violate UN charter. You are a clever guy I will tell you that, you press on for the team and don't get too emotionally charged. You understand that calm and determined approach is how to conquer the opposing side. Some of your teammates on here are too emotionally challenged and simply yell and scream. Well played.
 

fskimospy

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No, that is not correct. Israel's attack is a genocide, pure and simple. They are not fighting a proper government or a proper military, they are bombing and starving innocent civilians without clear goals and definitions.

UN says wars between nations is a violation generally speaking so logically Russia did violate UN charter. You are a clever guy I will tell you that, you press on for the team and don't get too emotionally charged. You understand that calm and determined approach is how to conquer the opposing side. Some of your teammates on here are too emotionally challenged and simply yell and scream. Well played.
So you agree that Russia has committed the same offenses as you think Israel has. Correct?
 

raildogg

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Stay the hell away from these Ukrainian guys:


A little way to lighten the mood a bit.
 

kage69

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Excuse the blatant Biden admin propaganda *snort* but Fudan University Prof Feng Yujun, a senior expert on Russia, says Russia is sure to lose in Ukraine. (Sorry for paywall)


3 main reasons why:

According to Feng, Russia's costly lack of progress is the result of a remarkable level of resistance and national unity demonstrated by Ukrainians. Despite fluctuations in international support the backing Ukraine continues to receive remains significant.

Modern warfare, which relies heavily on industrial power combined with sophisticated command, control, communications, and intelligence systems, poses a unique challenge for Russia. Feng believes that Russia's difficulties stem in part from its failure to fully recover industrially after the Soviet Union's collapse. Massive levels of corruption didn't help.

The third factor revolves around Putin's prolonged rule, which has reportedly resulted in an "information cocoon" that deprives the Kremlin of reliable intelligence. Feng suggests that this lack of accurate data and an ineffective error-correction mechanism within the Russian government have compounded the challenges faced by its military.



He must really worry about his country then, because Xi Jinping has purged himself into such isolation and is so feared among his people he makes Putin look like a social butterfly. Good thing Xi doesn't have a foolhardy military disaster of his own in the making, right? Oy
 

Brovane

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So according to Russia, NATO expansion is a threat - plain and simple. Therefore, they felt the need to neutralize the Ukrainian government and its military. Whether I agree with this or not doesn't matter too much because it is done. That's why I focus more on trying to end this as best as it can for Russia and Ukraine. Do I condemn Russia? Do you condemn the NATO's unlimited apetite of swallowing more and more countries even though the Soviet Union ended?

The reason that neighbors of Russia join NATO is because they have had previous experience with Russian aggression. Even though the Soviet Union has ended, Russian ambitions have not for territorial expansion. Every country that joins NATO does so voluntarily and has legitimate security concerns because of Russian territorial ambitions. So no I don't condemn NATO for allowing countries to voluntarily join NATO. With Ukraine you are trying to blame a woman for being raped because she wore clothing that was to provocative. Is that your intention?
 

fskimospy

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Stay the hell away from these Ukrainian guys:


A little way to lighten the mood a bit.
Do you not realize how much of a hypocrite you are?
 
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raildogg

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Xi purged himself into isolation?

Does Peter Zeihan have a secret account on this forum?! Sounds like he is the influencer of choice on this forum these days.

China is collapsing any minute now, I am sure Peter will reassure you of that (why is this a good thing I don't know).
 
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