Thanks Biden! No More Noncompete Agreements

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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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It's not that simple. If you start a company and hire talent they don't get to just take your idea and compete against you right away. That's bullchit. Thus the NCA was created.

The Biden administration is a horriblely short sighted vote buying group desperate to stay on power.
So how about the 99% of NCAs that have nothing to do with protecting the ideas of a start up?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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NCAs were actually a great idea to help protect companies from employees who sold their loyalty to the highest bidder.

I guess they will have to devise another method of protection.
Fast food workers in some states were being forced to sign NDAs

Great move by Biden. Also this doesn't apply to high level execs.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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It is that simple actually. Ideas are already protected by patents. Employees own their minds and the skills contained within.

Leave it to the RWNJs to argue for corporate ownership of workers’ economic freedom.
NCA over ideas that aren't patented is just rent seeking by lawyers and management that doesn't understand what the idea does. Change my mind.
 
Mar 11, 2004
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Oh fuck off you corporate cock gobbling stooge.

You fucking dumbshits fall for their trolling, every, single, fucking, time. This is why Republicans/Fascists have been winning, they can derail everything just with low T beta cuck level trolling and people will pivot the entirety of their focus to it.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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You fucking dumbshits fall for their trolling, every, single, fucking, time. This is why Republicans/Fascists have been winning, they can derail everything just with low T beta cuck level trolling and people will pivot the entirety of their focus to it.


False. They win when they control a narrative, when there is a vacuum they are allowed to fill with their horseshit. Look at the Russian invasion thread for an illustrative example. I think you'll find the thread still very much concerned with the thread subject, and the Putin shills winning nothing but pity and laughter. They've been consistently proven to be not just incorrect, but hypocrites and liars.

Stomping trolls and shills with facts and common sense is no vice. With magats these days it's damn near a patriotic duty.

If you don't have the capacity or interest for it, that's fine, but do fuck off. Some of us enjoy watching these buffoons embarrass themselves, and having that kind of fail become synonymous with right wing asshatery isn't a bad thing.

This thread is barely two pages long. Relax.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Fast food workers in some states were being forced to sign NDAs

Great move by Biden. Also this doesn't apply to high level execs.
I know, it sounds excessive and ridiculous to have FF workers sign them. You had some companies that went too far and made it boiler plate for everyone including janitors. That is what probably needed fixing.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Since NDAs aren't inherently wage suppression or an attack on a core individual liberty (the freedom to change jobs) like an NCA is, I think it's appropriate employers rely on those instead. Also patent enforcement.

If corporations had kept this practice relegated to high level execs we probably wouldn't be having this conversation (though I'd still be uncomfortable with it). Corporate greed and hunger for leverage over employees has pushed NCAs to the bottom of the pay scale, to people who lack high level exec incomes and wealth to tolerate the policy. CEOs raking in record setting compensation and bonuses acting like victims just doesn't fly with me, generally speaking.
 

outriding

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Feb 20, 2002
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It's not that simple. If you start a company and hire talent they don't get to just take your idea and compete against you right away. That's bullchit. Thus the NCA was created.

The Biden administration is a horriblely short sighted vote buying group desperate to stay on power.

That is called corporate espionage and it is not covered by the bill
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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It's not that simple. If you start a company and hire talent they don't get to just take your idea and compete against you right away. That's bullchit. Thus the NCA was created.

The Biden administration is a horriblely short sighted vote buying group desperate to stay on power.
It'd be funnier if you weren't serious
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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NCAs were actually a great idea to help protect companies from employees who sold their loyalty to the highest bidder.

I guess they will have to devise another method of protection.

as always, you're the biggest cvnt around with the single worst takes about anything, especially when it comes to things that are universally good for humans.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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It's not that simple. If you start a company and hire talent they don't get to just take your idea and compete against you right away. That's bullchit. Thus the NCA was created.

The Biden administration is a horriblely short sighted vote buying group desperate to stay on power.

just look at this fucking simp with absolutely zero talent and no skills that no company would ever fucking want, continue to carry water for these corps that give no shit about him, pay local legislatures to funnel all of this idiot's potential income and tax dollars towards their own corporate interests, and he just continues to fucking beg for more.

what a fucking dumb bitch you are, Felix.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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I'm ok with NCAs with the proviso that if you don't want me to work in my chosen job you have to pay me the entirety of the wage that I've given up for the period of the NCA plus compensation for whatever promotions and bonuses I've missed.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I'm ok with NCAs with the proviso that if you don't want me to work in my chosen job you have to pay me the entirety of the wage that I've given up for the period of the NCA plus compensation for whatever promotions and bonuses I've missed.
That's how investment banking ones typically work. You get paid to not work. By the time that's over your knowledge is typically outdated and not as critical.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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LoL US Chamber of Commerce is going to sue the FTC for this


Can't think of a better way to come under government scrutiny.
I'm guessing they will sue in a certain court in the toilet tank of Texas. Expect a decision that makes it illegal for an employee to get a higher salary when they change jobs.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I'm ok with NCAs with the proviso that if you don't want me to work in my chosen job you have to pay me the entirety of the wage that I've given up for the period of the NCA plus compensation for whatever promotions and bonuses I've missed.
How about I owe a company nothing and the only thing they owe me is pay for hours already worked. With very exceptions a company shouldn't be able to sideline you for years. Under your system it would be very hard for people to find new employment until the end of their NCA, encouraging them to stay with their current company even if they wanted to leave.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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How about I owe a company nothing and the only thing they owe me is pay for hours already worked. With very exceptions a company shouldn't be able to sideline you for years. Under your system it would be very hard for people to find new employment until the end of their NCA, encouraging them to stay with their current company even if they wanted to leave.
Well under "my system" (if I'm making one) you'd still get the choice to blow of your old employer and just get a new job starting immediately if you wanted!
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Well under "my system" (if I'm making one) you'd still get the choice to blow of your old employer and just get a new job starting immediately if you wanted!
Not if you had to wait 2 years before you could start. Yeah, you'd be paid for that 2 years, but not at your new salary and no company is going to wait for 2 years on you.
 
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nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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My wife was fired from a job, and she signed a non-compete so she couldn't start her own business under those limitations. She started another business anyway, promptly got sued, and promptly won and had her legal fees paid for by the defendant. It was first court case I ever sat in for, and it was interesting. At the end the judge told the defendants right out that if they appeal, they would lose again.

My wife's lawyer simply argued that it was too onerous for her to not be expected to want to practice again and that she not only would not take information and private practices to her next job, but that she in fact had developed some of those and they were not the sole ownership of her bosses. I guess a non-compete is one way to stifle innovation or free enterprise. Thank god it's gone.
 
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outriding

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Feb 20, 2002
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My wife was fired from a job, and she signed a non-compete so she couldn't start her own business under those limitations. She started another business anyway, promptly got sued, and promptly won and had her legal fees paid for by the defendant. It was first court case I ever sat in for, and it was interesting. At the end the judge told the defendants right out that if they appeal, they would lose again.

My wife's lawyer simply argued that it was too onerous for her to not be expected to want to practice again and that she not only would not take information and private practices to her next job, but that she in fact had developed some of those and they were not the sole ownership of her bosses. I guess a non-compete is one way to stifle innovation or free enterprise. Thank god it's gone.

I feel if you are fired all NCAs are null and void

Companies should look at all consequences of their actions

But we live among idiots
 
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