Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Mahboi

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More like 100% above TGL if true.
Just believe.
There are 40 days left before Computex.
Why is one valid while the other isn't? How convenient that the "invalid" result is the one where it is massively underperforming expectations.
What's convenient is to have a copium balloon as well furnished as yours.

I've already said it several times: there is no way AMD would've bothered redoing the entire frontend and making a large Tock just to come out with 5% IPC improvement at the exit. It is an insane degree of cope to believe that they would release a product like that after this much effort.

Which means that that convenient number you've found that barely puts it above Zen 4 is either completely false, and the other 2x TGL number is also completely false, either that your convenient number is completely false and the other one is not.

I don't have proof that the other one is true. I do have every reason to be confident that that score you're attaching yourself to is entirely false.
So I'll do as the optimists and BELIEVE. And you're free to believe whatever you want, I don't wanna argue with someone who seriously believes that AMD would come out with a 5% IPC growth as the first big leap since Zen 2. That is a ridiculous number to latch on to.
 

adroc_thurston

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Why?

I was always under the impression Golden Cove is +19% over Willow Cove (TigerLake). This puts Zen 5 at +16% over Golden Cove. That doesn’t seem impossible to me.
Neither of those samples should be valid to you, kids.
You don't know the platform envs they ran in.

Just keep the numbers in mind, they're funny.
 

gdansk

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Why?

I was always under the impression Golden Cove is +19% over Willow Cove (TigerLake). This puts Zen 5 at +16% over Golden Cove. That doesn’t seem impossible to me.
That's pretty much where I estimate Zen 5 IPC to end up. It seems pretty good to me. And if they can push clock rates a bit higher still then Zen 5 3D will be in very good shape.
 

tamz_msc

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how much timespy pts is that

you don't have to cope.
You can always go back to the Intel thread and pray for nova lake!
Still waiting for an explanation why one score in the morning completely invalidates the other score in the afternoon, on the same day.
Just believe.
There are 40 days left before Computex.

What's convenient is to have a copium balloon as well furnished as yours.

I've already said it several times: there is no way AMD would've bothered redoing the entire frontend and making a large Tock just to come out with 5% IPC improvement at the exit. It is an insane degree of cope to believe that they would release a product like that after this much effort.

Which means that that convenient number you've found that barely puts it above Zen 4 is either completely false, and the other 2x TGL number is also completely false, either that your convenient number is completely false and the other one is not.

I don't have proof that the other one is true. I do have every reason to be confident that that score you're attaching yourself to is entirely false.
So I'll do as the optimists and BELIEVE. And you're free to believe whatever you want, I don't wanna argue with someone who seriously believes that AMD would come out with a 5% IPC growth as the first big leap since Zen 2. That is a ridiculous number to latch on to.
"SF-23 will be unprecedented in terms of speed" - Ferrari CEO before the 2023 F1 season started.
 

Hitman928

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Why?

I was always under the impression Golden Cove is +19% over Willow Cove (TigerLake). This puts Zen 5 at +16% over Golden Cove. That doesn’t seem impossible to me.

Zen 4 already had a decent IPC advantage over Golden Cove, so that would mean Zen 5 has almost no IPC uplift. Given what we know about the design, this isn't possible (edit: unless AMD completely botched the design in some way, but that also seems extremely unlikely).
 
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adroc_thurston

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Still waiting for an explanation why one score in the morning completely invalidates the other score in the afternoon, on the same day.
So you can cope without knowing the platform variables involved.
It's real simple!
My source only told me Zen5's TDP is higher than Zen4; also claimed by HXL.
they're the exact same since it's all the exact same platforms.
well except -halo.
 
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Mahboi

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I don't think there was any way to have "Power Consumption: +" compared to RPL-R.
The real concerning part is that he only went "Power Consumption: -".
Frankly I expected a "- -" or even "- - -" at least...
Intel better not go from Repeller perf to Repeller - 20% but with 10% more perf. I'd be very disappointed. I'm really expecting something like 40% less power draw even if the perf uplift will be close to zilch.
 

DisEnchantment

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Someone else will have to do it, I can't get it to work at 2000MHz.

I did it, lscpu shows 2.6 Base for my 7950X, but cpufreq reports 2G, I don't have GB account, so maybe someone can check the frequencies
My RAM is 6000MT/s

Bash:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
400000
400000
400000
1999222
400000
400000
400000
2000130
400000
2000078
1998810
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
2000082
400000
1999932
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
1999921
1999553

STX is not recognized properly, L1 and other data seems completely off.
This is a more conservative report unlike this one @1.4G here https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/22423185?baseline=22425328

If these are spoofs then well... waste of time
 

StefanR5R

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The *timestamps* are there on the entries
The timestamps of the firmware/ microcode?
No, timestamps of when the results were uploaded online.
Which factors are sensitive to Geekbench performance: Processor firmware, or/and time of result upload?

To avoid misunderstandings: This question is a purely rhetorical one, as was my former question.

My source only told me Zen5's TDP is higher than Zen4; also claimed by HXL.
they're the exact same since it's all the exact same platforms.
well except -halo.
...and except for SP5, but that one goes along with a core count increase.
 

gdansk

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I did it, lscpu shows 2.6 Base for my 7950X, but cpufreq reports 2G, I don't have GB account, so maybe someone can check the frequencies
My RAM is 6000MT/s

Bash:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
400000
400000
400000
1999222
400000
400000
400000
2000130
400000
2000078
1998810
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
2000082
400000
1999932
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
1999921
1999553

STX is not recognized properly, L1 and other data seems completely off.
This is a more conservative report unlike this one @1.4G here https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/22423185?baseline=22425328

If these are spoofs then well... waste of time
So 19.3% higher IPC than Zen 4 if that leak is real. Not bad. Especially if other rumors of still higher clock rates is also true it puts it right in line with previous Zens in generational uplift.
 

H433x0n

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Zen 4 already had a decent IPC advantage over Golden Cove, so that would mean Zen 5 has almost no IPC uplift. Given what we know about the design, this isn't possible (edit: unless AMD completely botched the design in some way, but that also seems extremely unlikely).
No, it doesn’t.

Golden Cove & Zen 4 have near identical IPC.
 

tamz_msc

Diamond Member
Jan 5, 2017
3,825
3,654
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I did it, lscpu shows 2.6 Base for my 7950X, but cpufreq reports 2G, I don't have GB account, so maybe someone can check the frequencies
My RAM is 6000MT/s

Bash:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
400000
400000
400000
1999222
400000
400000
400000
2000130
400000
2000078
1998810
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
2000082
400000
1999932
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
400000
1999921
1999553

STX is not recognized properly, L1 and other data seems completely off.
This is a more conservative report unlike this one @1.4G here https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/22423185?baseline=22425328

If these are spoofs then well... waste of time
15.7% higher Integer Score than Zen 4.
 
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