The subject was manufacturer recalls. There are recalls from all the various manufacturers weekly, some pretty serious, but I don't see them highlighted in the same way that Tesla's are.
Tesla was under a microscope? Do you know how overvalued their stock has been simply because it was the opposite of being under a microscope but just letting the pathologically lying Elon hype train pump that price up?
If Tesla was under a microscope, we would never have gotten here. Tesla's value is meme stock level, BECAUSE they were constantly given a pass and not under a microscope.
It's all relative. Tesla barely has any models compared to any of all the various manufacturers. The CT was their first new model in a while and the only one on the horizon, as the company is falling apart. And when the hype around a model is as insane as it was about the CT, hype that Musk and Tesla encouraged and helped create -anything that happens with it is going to get a lot of attention. Including this recall. This is farthest from Tesla being treated unfairly. I strongly disagree with that interpretation.The subject was manufacturer recalls. There are recalls from all the various manufacturers weekly, some pretty serious, but I don't see them highlighted in the same way that Tesla's are.
I already pointed that out in the same post you quoted. But that should help them, yet I really don't see any manufacturer getting called out weekly on the few social media platforms I use for serious recalls. Which should be literally weekly.It's all relative. Tesla barely has any models compared to any of all the various manufacturers.
I was referring to the same thing that the previous poster was, as far as I know, which is their general recalls. I'm not talking about anything specific to the CT.The CT was their first new model in a while and the only one on the horizon, as the company is falling apart. And when the hype around a model is as insane as it was about the CT, hype that Musk and Tesla encouraged and helped create -anything that happens with it is going to get a lot of attention. Including this recall.
I said they were under a microscope which implies they are being watched more than their peers in this scenario. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I thought they were being treated unfairly. I didn't say it and just because someone or something is the center of attention doesn't mean it or they are being treated unfairly.This is farthest from Tesla being treated unfairly. I strongly disagree with that interpretation.
You're posts feel like you have a bit of an emotional response to this company.As I stated Tesla has gotten away with way more shenanigans than not, so no, they haven't been under a microscope even regarding recalls or manufacturing issues. IN fact they have been treated with kid gloves for way too long. FSD has gotten away for years without being properly called out for what it was, for example.
I already pointed that out in the same post you quoted. But that should help them, yet I really don't see any manufacturer getting called out weekly on the few social media platforms I use for serious recalls. Which should be literally weekly.
I was referring to the same thing that the previous poster was, as far as I know, which is their general recalls. I'm not talking about anything specific to the CT.
I said they were under a microscope which implies they are being watched more than their peers in this scenario. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I thought they were being treated unfairly. I didn't say it and just because someone or something is the center of attention doesn't mean it or they are being treated unfairly.
You're posts feel like you have a bit of an emotional response to this company.
I mean claiming that one company is under more and serious examination than others is basically the definition of being treated unfairly. Now you don't think that's being treated unfairly?
Tesla had its time and place and has been exposed for what It has become. Thanks to musk's leadership it's never going to get better until he is gone. It's on a strong downward trajectory. Their fundamentals are fucked not just domestically but in China. Also they've gotten away with quite a lot of bullshit, on some seriously high levels, which has been discussed.
I'm sorry these actual facts in reality don't work in your head. It's really not my problem at all.
Now you're going to argue over nonsense semantics? Closer examination or a more serious examination, same difference. They say the same thing, your argument is useless. It is funny to watch you repeat the same two things and say they are different. Funny in a sad way.I said they were under closer examination, which is quite easy to prove, which does not inherently mean that they are under "serious examination". I could list multiple serious recalls from various manufacturers that you've never even heard about. But when Tesla has a recall that requires a software update, it's a more reported subject. Because they're more popular and it gets those sources clicks. Again, you have an obvious emotional response to either this company, this person, or both. It clearly makes it difficult for you to be objective when they are the subject of conversation.
Were you this fired up the government bailed out multiple car companies for tens of billions, of our money, after YEARS of very poor business practices and products? Tesla has a little ways to go yet to reach the heights of their peers in regards to the stuff they've done and people they've killed. So if you're going be so emotional over this company, spread it out to some other deserving companies in same field as well.
Automobile manufacturing is one of the most complex forms of manufacturing in the world. Especially in North America and Europe because of the regulations law makers and government agencies have put in place. To put it into perspective it rivals silicon wafer manufacturing.
Auto manufacturing doesn't require clean rooms, but you'd be surprised at the precision of some things. The engine is probably the most complicated component in the vehicle as a whole. We actually do need things to be fairly clean, as FOD that is too big will disrupt our bearings and nuke an engine. The precision on some components or interfaces is in single digit microns.No... just no. The company I work for provides manufacturing equipment for Tesla, including for their expansion in Texas. The main stipulations in the auto manufacturing sector are related to worker safety, which is relatively easy to deal with when compared to manufacturing facilities for wafers or other clean room facilities.
Off the top of my head, the hierarchy for complexity of manufacturing goes as follows...
Clean room
Hazardous/explosive material (think spark resistant, etc...)
FDA compliant
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And waaaay down here is auto manufacturing. It isn't even close.
Not to mention Tesla hasn't been paying their bills on time to their dealers, which puts them on credit hold and ultimately means we can't ship them product until the bills get paid. They always try to expedite their orders, and we continually say no. Pay your dealers so they can pay us, its pretty simple.
I've also talked with some Tesla engineers, and most are green and not really sure what they're talking to me for (also an engineer). One time I had to get on call with a Tesla engineer about product they had ordered, and the guy had no idea what to ask or what he needed.
SpaceX is very different, we provide equipment to them as well. They know what they want and pay their bills, its amazing the difference between the two companies.
Same thing with Boeing. No one cars about sky the Airbus issues.The subject was manufacturer recalls. There are recalls from all the various manufacturers weekly, some pretty serious, but I don't see them highlighted in the same way that Tesla's are.
Yeah ok.....tell that to Bosh, Denso, and Magna. I'm sure they will agree with your assessment that automotive manufacturing isn't very complex. I'm sure Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, BYD, and a slew of others will also agree with you.No... just no. The company I work for provides manufacturing equipment for Tesla, including for their expansion in Texas. The main stipulations in the auto manufacturing sector are related to worker safety, which is relatively easy to deal with when compared to manufacturing facilities for wafers or other clean room facilities.
Off the top of my head, the hierarchy for complexity of manufacturing goes as follows...
Clean room
Hazardous/explosive material (think spark resistant, etc...)
FDA compliant
Many other facilities
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And waaaay down here is auto manufacturing. It isn't even close.
Bro you need to put all your thoughts together on why Elon Musk and Tesla are the worst thing to happen to humanity since the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge regime. Since you are so passionate about it maybe you should write a book. If you decide to do this make sure you talk down to people who have a differing opinion than yours.Now you're going to argue over nonsense semantics? Closer examination or a more serious examination, same difference. They say the same thing, your argument is useless. It is funny to watch you repeat the same two things and say they are different. Funny in a sad way.
Why do I have to bring in every other car company into any thread about any car company. I've criticized many corporations and business practices in my day why do I have to contextualize that with a summary of those criticisms when I criticize Tesla and the pure evil that is Elon musk leading it? To make Fanboys of that evil fuck feel better? Hell fucking no.
As far as bailouts those are fundamental US industries. They employ many Americans and many of those jobs are Union , which are good paying. Yeah another thing shitty musk is against. Their stocks are not pumped up with falsehoods either.
Would you like to know how many government subsidies Tesla has been the beneficiary of? I can live with bailouts that made sense and paid off for America and Americans. That's called an investment. Of course that seems to bug you because you want to be an Elon defender, which is so so fucking pathetic.
Tesla and Elon created basically a meme stock that's mostly a pump and dump fraud. Over 1000x P/E ratio? All because of total lies. People should be in jail for Tesla related things at this point. Both on the securities and fraud level, not to even mention solar city for christ sake, and also for the FSD bullshit that has been ongoing for many years. And has killed people.
Your points are pointless. It's either semantic bullshit or you can't criticize Tesla without bringing in every other car company into the discussion. That's completely nonsense and not how debate works, I'm not giving every car manufacturer a pass for their mistakes, that's just some nonsense you made up in your head to justify your Tesla fanboyism.
What's very common with people that don't deal in facts is to say exactly that, Well how can you criticize them without giving a summary of criticizing everyone else or other people have done bad things so this is not So bad. You're really grasping at straws and it's kind of sad.
As far as the engineering of of the Cyber truck sure some people are impressed with it but other views have been more honest, The engineering is mostly to get over really terrible design and questionable design choices just for the sake of being different. Of course magazines and youtubers that cater to males, especially white males, are going to give love to the CT. The CT's target audience are males with small dick syndrome, the same audience that is a chunk of who reads those magazines. Of course they want to keep making money. It's pretty fucking sad.
Tesla is a shitty company now led by a really horrible person. I can't say buying any Tesla is a testament on someone's character because most of those other vehicles, including the original, came from are there people's work, although at some point it will be questionable. The FSD though has always been prolblematic, if you are into that you are complicit. But the cybertruck is Elon musk personified as a car. Buying the Cyber truck, and defending Tesla and musk, you lack some basic character and moral decency at this point, because what he is and the fraud and lying of that company because of him, is out there for all to see. At this point ignorance is no fucking excuse.
Nice deflection and nonsense strawmen, I never implied anything of the such. Excellent point by point counter with any evidence of any sort.Bro you need to put all your thoughts together on why Elon Musk and Tesla are the worst thing to happen to humanity since the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge regime. Since you are so passionate about it maybe you should write a book. If you decide to do this make sure you talk down to people who have a differing opinion than yours.
This is the perfect prologue to your book. I'm so impressed that going forward I will take it upon myself to be your editor. As such I feal it is my obligation to point out that you need your condescension to be more broadly based.Nice deflection and nonsense strawmen, I never implied anything of the such. Excellent point by point counter with any evidence of any sort.
Elon Musk is a totally evil human being, I'm not trying to rate him on a scale, it's a scale full of mofos. I don't have to put him into context to make shitty defenders of him like you feel better. This has nothing to do with Nazis or the Khmer Rouge, this has to do with Elon Musk. You are trying to obfuscate the discussion. Trying to deflect that with non-sequiters is your problem, not mine. It wasn't even witty. I am passionate about some of the worst people in the world right now. But that seems to bother you, since you defend someone like that, since you need your mid-life crisis car. Why don't you try stopping to deflect with your nonsense kindergarten level argument techniques, and defend Musk against the attacks on him? Please make 3-5 bullet points how the criticism of Musk is not warranted.
Whatever helps you sleep at night for defending pure shit people and a company that is led by that type of person, and who has misled consumers, its investors, and everyone on the road with its misleading FSD claims over and over, at the cost of lives and injuries.
You and the WankPanzer belong together. It's nice the shithead Musk douchebag defenders are so easy to spot in that thing. Good luck defending the indefensible.
The CT was their first new model in a while and the only one on the horizon, as the company is falling apart.
In 59 crashes examined by NHTSA, the agency found that Tesla drivers had enough time, “five or more seconds,” prior to crashing into another object in which to react. In 19 of those crashes, the hazard was visible for 10 or more seconds before the collision. Reviewing crash logs and data provided by Tesla, NHTSA found that drivers failed to brake or steer to avoid the hazard in a majority of the crashes analyzed.
“Crashes with no or late evasive action attempted by the driver were found across all Tesla hardware versions and crash circumstances,” NHTSA said.
“A comparison of Tesla’s design choices to those of L2 peers identified Tesla as an industry outlier in its approach to L2 technology by mismatching a weak driver engagement system with Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities,” the agency said.
This is the perfect prologue to your book. I'm so impressed that going forward I will take it upon myself to be your editor. As such I feal it is my obligation to point out that you need your condescension to be more broadly based.
For example, I like the part about white males with small dicks but I think it's important to include other ethnic groups. My suggestion is to maybe include Hispanics who are also interested in vehicles but also have smalls dicks.
Your thoughts are a little spread out so try and consolidate them into one homogeneous form. Over all it's showing some promise.
Your initial condescension toward others with a differing point of view seems to be waning. I was expecting a home run but is this all you got? Just more name calling......yawn.Whatever floats your boat. The facts about Elon and his far-right conspiracy theory views, insane racism and bigotry, constant lies not just about any socio-political subject, but about Tesla's capabilities and products, and Tesla's constant bullshit and stock market price pumping are all documented. Your ignorance is no excuse anymore, and that's ok. You aren't that special, there are a shitload of you people.
Small dick whatever/energy is a phrase implying small dick energy. It's just a way to describe dumb and toxic masculinity traits. It does not necessarily mean you have a literal small penis, although that is definitely possible. This is called an expression of language using words. Could potentially also be called an idiom - If I ever write a book I will definitely need a good and patient editor, but I'll pass on your application, as the editor has to know that words can have expressions outside their simple literal definition.
I hope you get your swasticar though
Tesla is an over-hyped company with stupid-high stock value. People actually want to see news about it, good or bad, so journalists cover it. So people think it's important and want more news about it. So journalists cover it. Ad nauseum.The subject was manufacturer recalls. There are recalls from all the various manufacturers weekly, some pretty serious, but I don't see them highlighted in the same way that Tesla's are.
Elon RDF: activated. After dismal Q1 results were reported, TSLA is on a tear after Elon's CON call reaffirming robotaxi and cheaper auto offerings in the near future.I'm curious about their long-term success. If they succeed in the future, then their current $168.29 is going to be a steal. Otherwise, a lot of stock-shorters are going to get VERY rich!
Tesla has a sentry mode when you are parked and a total surveillance mode when you drive. That means everything that happens in a Tesla is recorded and stored at Tesla HQ. Those Autopilot crashes all have recorded video of the incidents.What a wonderful company with FSD. Tesla Fanboys don't mind
The tip of the iceberg. Quoted from another thread
"NHTSA closes its original probe into self-driving mode because it is opening a new, more extensive probe. It says Autopilot is responsible for hundreds of crashes and at least 14 fatalities.
Gifted article:
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/...nnt8w6wyzcl&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
NHTSA offered more details on Friday about the work that led to the recall, saying its effort “showed evidence that Tesla’s weak driver engagement system was not appropriate for Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities.”
This mismatch resulted in a “critical safety gap” between drivers’ expectations of Autopilot’s safety and the system’s actual capabilities, it added.
Part of the investigation also involves Tesla's resolution that was part of the recall for the first investigation. Apparently, drivers had to opt-in to apply parts of the remedy and could disable others."