In a country dominated by 'fast food', why not 'fast housing' - "McHouses" for the people.

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Not saying it is 80% but a 12 pack of soda used be $6 and it is $10 now... same with a 1/2 gallon of blue bell ice cream, was $6 and is now $10 (reg prices not sale prices at my local big chain grocery store). These are 2 normal every day items that have gone up this much is past 2-3 years.
Who buys soda at the regular price? This is just from this week's ad of a major national grocery chain in my area, and I routinely see 3/$12 or 4/$12 deals for soda. Same for ice cream: consider substitution or waiting for a sale.



I'm not saying prices haven't gone up, but if you're paying $10 for a 12-pack of soda, that's a skills issue.
 

spacejamz

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Who buys soda at the regular price? This is just from this week's ad of a major national grocery chain in my area, and I routinely see 3/$12 or 4/$12 deals for soda. Same for ice cream: consider substitution or waiting for a sale.

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I'm not saying prices haven't gone up, but if you're paying $10 for a 12-pack of soda, that's a skills issue.

I didn't say I bought them at that price...I am simply comparing the reg prices from a few years ago. It was an apples to apples comparison. I guess I could have chosen to cherry pick items or sales like you did though.

Are you honestly saying that you can't tell the difference in your purchasing power at the grocery store over the past few years? It is a pretty huge difference. $100 two years ago filled your cart way more than it does today.
 
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I didn't say I bought them at that price...I am simply comparing the reg prices from a few years ago. It was an apples to apples comparison.
We don't measure inflation by the cost of single goods, and "regular prices" in a typical grocery store are kind of fake. The more meaningful comparison would be what you could typically and routinely find in sales as an out-the-door price.
 

spacejamz

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We don't measure inflation by the cost of single goods, and "regular prices" in a typical grocery store are kind of fake. The more meaningful comparison would be what you could typically and routinely find in sales as an out-the-door price.

You can call it whatever you want. I just know that the same items I bought (I usually buy the same brands whether they are on sale or not because I know exactly how they will taste) a few years ago cost alot more now than they did a few years. I don''t care if that is not called inflation or not. I just know there is a difference when I pay. This probably applies to most consumers who have also noticed they are paying more but I guess you don't want to believe them either.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Not saying it is 80% but a 12 pack of soda used be $6 and it is $10 now... same with a 1/2 gallon of blue bell ice cream, was $6 and is now $10 (reg prices not sale prices at my local big chain grocery store). These are 2 normal every day items that have gone up this much is past 2-3 years.

It's crazy how that has gone up a lot. I remember a case of 12 being like 3 something, not all that long ago, and now it's about 8-9 bucks here. Junk food in general actually went up a lot. A bag of chips at the grocery store pretty much costs the same as a convenience store now. This is one thing that bugs me a little less because it's stuff I shouldn't be consuming a lot of anyway but still shows how we are being gouged. Then add shrinkflation to that as well. I noticed a lot of stuff is so small now. Pay more, for less.

Sure you can find a good sale sometimes but looking at the non sale price for comparison is what makes the most sense, as it's the normal price. Sale prices change all the time.
 
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The problem ultimately is that any kind of cost efficient housing (little boxes stacked close together or on top of each other) tends to be treated as an eyesore, and nobody wants it built anywhere near them.

Also, when we built “the projects” in the ‘60s, it didn’t work out great for a number of reasons. What those reasons are is probably a P&N thread, but the fact that it didn’t work out reinforces the desire on the part of the people with money, to not have low income housing anywhere near them.
 

MrSquished

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The problem ultimately is that any kind of cost efficient housing (little boxes stacked close together or on top of each other) tends to be treated as an eyesore, and nobody wants it built anywhere near them.

Also, when we built “the projects” in the ‘60s, it didn’t work out great for a number of reasons. What those reasons are is probably a P&N thread, but the fact that it didn’t work out reinforces the desire on the part of the people with money, to not have low income housing anywhere near them.
I think we are talking more about incentives and zoning restrictions to spur private development, not government run projects.
 

MrSquished

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Finally living somewhere like this has been great for me. Just through casually playing in town I've now got a drummer and bass player for my punk project, and I'm already putting the wheels in motion for a space banjo project later on this year--just talked to a wild bass clarinet player last night to recruit him for that one, it's potentially growing into more of a generalized psychedelic experimental thing. If I pick the right venues, I could maybe even have an aerial dance routine going on during the set. In other cities I'd probably have to be putting out ads looking for people to do all this stuff instead of just bumping into these people.

That's awesome. With tech and the interwebs, we can discover so much art and music online or via apps, but still nothing beats the three dimensional world for a lot of collaboration. I would guess you are also now around a much better food and nightlife scene?
 

VirtualLarry

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THIS is the problem, indirect landlord collusion, via their "RealPage" application (allegedly).

Edit: So, I guess I'm wrong. It doesn't make sense to build more houses, till AGs can "kill the beast", and stop landlord collusion.
 
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THIS is the problem, indirect landlord collusion, via their "RealPage" application (allegedly).

Edit: So, I guess I'm wrong. It doesn't make sense to build more houses, till AGs can "kill the beast", and stop landlord collusion.
How is this any different than a landlord opening Zillow and looking at what their competition is charging?

If you want to undercut landlord power, we need only allow more housing to be built. There are so many independent landlords, it's practically impossible for them to actually collude, since someone will always defect. Real rents have fallen in places where vacancies have risen: Austin and Minneapolis are great examples of this today, and we need only look back at the start of the COVID pandemic to also see this happen.
 

jpiniero

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Real Estate in general has had boom and bust cycles in the past. Though now... Inflation has taken such a hold that nothing's stopping this train... short of a bigly rececssion.
 

Exterous

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Unless anyone here has a detailed spreadsheet of all the things they've purchased from the grocery store over the last 5 years and property sampled with the rest of their countries grocery stores this whole inflation is higher than advertised discussion is pretty silly. Regional pricing is a thing. Regional demands and supply issues are a thing. Human memory is fallible and confirmation bias is a thing. Hell people couldn't stop pointing to eggs as why inflation numbers were wrong because they couldn't be arsed to actually look for the real answer.

Too bad we don't have organizations that track this for us with data sets you can dive into yourself...

Ib4 the "But they manipulate the data! My name brand organic beef from cows that have beds with evening turn down service is up 20% so inflation across the entire fucking country is sky high!"
 
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I think we are talking more about incentives and zoning restrictions to spur private development, not government run projects.
Sure. But local government makes those incentives and zoning rules, and the folks who don't want that stuff around them go to city planning meetings and make their opposition known. Usually loudly.

I grew up in a town at the intersection of three counties, where all three counties had approved construction of trailer parks, because it kept "those people" in one place as far from more affluent areas as possible. But yeah, it was all "private development."
 

MrSquished

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Sure. But local government makes those incentives and zoning rules, and the folks who don't want that stuff around them go to city planning meetings and make their opposition known. Usually loudly.

I grew up in a town at the intersection of three counties, where all three counties had approved construction of trailer parks, because it kept "those people" in one place as far from more affluent areas as possible. But yeah, it was all "private development."
You mentioned the projects. So I was replying to that as in that's not what we're trying to do here.

Yes I know nimby's block a lot of development but that's the point of the conversation, We need to change zoning laws, period. Fuck the nimby's.

That's the primary solution. No matter how hard it is, it's the only one
 

nakedfrog

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That's awesome. With tech and the interwebs, we can discover so much art and music online or via apps, but still nothing beats the three dimensional world for a lot of collaboration. I would guess you are also now around a much better food and nightlife scene?
Compared to the rural town I was living in, absolutely. Compared to the nearest proper city to there, well, harder to gauge because Omaha was much larger and more sprawling, and allegedly at one point had the most restaurants per capita in the US. Nightlife for me mostly consists of going to concerts, not staying out all night drinking, dancing, and partying, but this city seems pretty much ready for bed by 1AM.
 

jpiniero

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For S&G, I looked at the available New Construction in the New York area. There's a couple of condos in Broo.... lolz, nobody's actually buying this crap. It's all for Hedge Funds to park their cash.
 

MrSquished

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For S&G, I looked at the available New Construction in the New York area. There's a couple of condos in Broo.... lolz, nobody's actually buying this crap. It's all for Hedge Funds to park their cash.
You seem very well informed on the NYC real estate market. Can you teach us more? Are there real people buying nice new condos in Brooklyn by any chance?
 
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