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Lifer
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Tesla has a sentry mode when you are parked and a total surveillance mode when you drive. That means everything that happens in a Tesla is recorded and stored at Tesla HQ. Those Autopilot crashes all have recorded video of the incidents.

The auto industry is a bit weird. They calculate recalls based on the cost of settling incidents. Once it passes a certain threshold, they recall the vehicles. The government can also force recalls. I know Tesla likes to self govern. They throw out somewhat valid safety statistics. Tesla compares autopilot crashes to vehicle crashes of any make and model of any car company without an autopilot feature.
LOL you honestly think Tesla is storing billions of hours of raw recorded video? Please provide a credible source.
 

sdifox

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That page explicitly states it stores Dashcam video onto a USB drive.

There are multiple cameras on any Tesla, and when you write about Sentry mode and "total surveillance," that implies that you're speaking about all (or most) of them. Then you said that "everything" is sent to "Tesla HQ" and stored. In total, that would be billions of hours of recorded video.

As sdifox noted above, thanks for proving your point.
 
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Hans Gruber

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That page explicitly states it stores Dashcam video onto a USB drive.

There are multiple cameras on any Tesla, and when you write about Sentry mode and "total surveillance," that implies that you're speaking about all (or most) of them. Then you said that "everything" is sent to "Tesla HQ" and stored. In total, that would be billions of hours of recorded video.

As sdifox noted above, thanks for proving your point.
Because you can't handle the truth. Do you think companies tell customers what they are doing with all their data? When you buy a Tesla you sign away all your privacy rights.

Since this a a cybertruck thread. That's 6700lbs that goes 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. Thank god the governor limits the top speed to 131mph. That is a lot of speed and weight for autopilot or any pilot driver.
 

sdifox

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Because you can't handle the truth. Do you think companies tell customers what they are doing with all their data? When you buy a Tesla you sign away all your privacy rights.

Since this a a cybertruck thread. That's 6700lbs that goes 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. Thank god the governor limits the top speed to 131mph. That is a lot of speed and weight for autopilot or any pilot driver.
You made the claim Tesla stores all recording, point at the manual that says it is store locally as proof, then claim Tesla doesn't tell us all they do... You must be high.
 
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Kaido

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Update: My buddy is trying out his free month of FSD on his MY. It drove all the way from his house on city streets without intervention. I had no idea it was this far advanced!
 

Brovane

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Update: My buddy is trying out his free month of FSD on his MY. It drove all the way from his house on city streets without intervention. I had no idea it was this far advanced!

Its good, it just isn't as nearly as good as elmo claims it is. I personally have been fairly impressed with it. However it still has a learning curve to figure out it's quirks.
 

Kaido

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the governor limits the top speed to 131mph. That is a lot of speed and weight for autopilot or any pilot driver.

FWIW, the top allowable speed in Full Self-Driving mode is 85mph, which is the max speed limit in America: (in Austin, Texas!)


You can engage Full Self-Driving (Beta) at any speed less than 85 mph (150 km/h), including when Model Y is at a standstill.
 

Kaido

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Its good, it just isn't as nearly as good as elmo claims it is. I personally have been fairly impressed with it. However it still has a learning curve to figure out it's quirks.

"Quirks" the key word. My wife's Subaru Forester has EyeSight, which, on the modern version, does adaptive cruise coupled with lane-centering, which tbh is about 90% as good as full-self driving in my experience. The quirk, however, is that if the curve on the highway is too sharp, it INSTANTLY DISENGAGES! It just gives a soft "bong" and then you crash & die lol. Like, it's crazy how poorly-designed the TACC/LCA system is when it turns off!

HOWEVER: you get used to it. It pings you to wiggle the wheel ever so often to make sure your hand is on it, so you have to be semi-engaged anyway. And as you drive, you learn to tell when it's going to turn off. When I drive it, I keep my arm on the window arm rest & my hand on the lower quarter of the wheel. When it bings off, even if I'm not ready for it, my hand is there & my brain has auto-adjusted to taking over.

But the first time it happened when I testing it, I almost hit a guard rail because I wasn't prepared for how quickly it disengaged lol. But then your automaticity kicks in over time, just like using non-adaptive cruise control & learning how to toggle the button or hit the brake absentmindedly. And this leads to what I call the "lull of complacency" with Tesla's FSD Beta...it's just good enough that you learn to trust it because your brain's automaticity mechanism kicks in, and then you trust it TOO much in situations where it can't work yet.

But anyway, yeah I was SHOCKED at how good City Driving was in the FSD Beta! I live in a windy, hilly area & it handled the top signs & everything just fine! It doesn't park for you, although you can hit the auto-park button, but it's faster to just pull it yourself when it gets you there. I did use the auto parallel-parking feature in NYC, which was DOPE on a crowded street!

 
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Brovane

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"Quirks" the key word. My wife's Subaru Forester has EyeSight, which, on the modern version, does adaptive cruise coupled with lane-centering, which tbh is about 90% as good as full-self driving in my experience. The quirk, however, is that if the curve on the highway is too sharp, it INSTANTLY DISENGAGES! It just gives a soft "bong" and then you crash & die lol. Like, it's crazy how poorly-designed the TACC/LCA system is when it turns off!

HOWEVER: you get used to it. It pings you to wiggle the wheel ever so often to make sure your hand is on it, so you have to be semi-engaged anyway. And as you drive, you learn to tell when it's going to turn off. When I drive it, I keep my arm on the window arm rest & my hand on the lower quarter of the wheel. When it bings off, even if I'm not ready for it, my hand is there & my brain has auto-adjusted to taking over.

One of the things I have figured out is on a Interstate it is not good at getting over when necessary for my exit or getting out of the left lane after passing. I started using the signals to force the car to move the lane I want it in.
 
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"Quirks" the key word. My wife's Subaru Forester has EyeSight, which, on the modern version, does adaptive cruise coupled with lane-centering, which tbh is about 90% as good as full-self driving in my experience. The quirk, however, is that if the curve on the highway is too sharp, it INSTANTLY DISENGAGES! It just gives a soft "bong" and then you crash & die lol. Like, it's crazy how poorly-designed the TACC/LCA system is when it turns off!
That sounds like what Hyundai calls Lane Follow Assist. My Elantra has that as well (and the basic lane keep assist). The whole point is it helps you stay in the lane, but it isn't meant to be replacement for paying attention or moving the wheel yourself.
 

rstrohkirch

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Now you're going to argue over nonsense semantics? Closer examination or a more serious examination, same difference. They say the same thing, your argument is useless. It is funny to watch you repeat the same two things and say they are different. Funny in a sad way.
I had something in mind when I used that word. You obviously have idea that differs a bit from mine. I stated my intentions for the word but you don't seem to believe me. That's OK, but I'm not sure how to take your last couple of sentences. It's like you can't talk to people with differing opinions without attacking them.

Why do I have to bring in every other car company into any thread about any car company. I've criticized many corporations and business practices in my day why do I have to contextualize that with a summary of those criticisms when I criticize Tesla and the pure evil that is Elon musk leading it?
You don't. On observation, I formed an opinion and was curious. It's obvious now that it's Elon and not Tesla you have issues with.


As far as bailouts those are fundamental US industries. They employ many Americans and many of those jobs are Union , which are good paying. Yeah another thing shitty musk is against. Their stocks are not pumped up with falsehoods either.
Ok

Would you like to know how many government subsidies Tesla has been the beneficiary of? I can live with bailouts that made sense and paid off for America and Americans. That's called an investment.
You don't feel the government was making another attempt at investing in what it thought was the future?

Of course that seems to bug you because you want to be an Elon defender, which is so so fucking pathetic.
This is where things fall apart. Because I made a comment about discrepancies in treatment, a pretty small portion of the large picture it seemed, you think I'm a fanboy and defender of this individual. Which also resulted in you being derogatory and hovering that line of personal attack again. This is why I stated it seemed like you were being emotional and lack the ability to be objective. You're calling statements I made "fucking pathetic" because you think I'm defending this individual you despise.

Your points are pointless. It's either semantic bullshit or you can't criticize Tesla without bringing in every other car company into the discussion. That's completely nonsense and not how debate works, I'm not giving every car manufacturer a pass for their mistakes, that's just some nonsense you made up in your head to justify your Tesla fanboyism.

What's very common with people that don't deal in facts is to say exactly that, Well how can you criticize them without giving a summary of criticizing everyone else or other people have done bad things so this is not So bad. You're really grasping at straws and it's kind of sad.

As far as the engineering of of the Cyber truck sure some people are impressed with it but other views have been more honest, The engineering is mostly to get over really terrible design and questionable design choices just for the sake of being different. Of course magazines and youtubers that cater to males, especially white males, are going to give love to the CT. The CT's target audience are males with small dick syndrome, the same audience that is a chunk of who reads those magazines. Of course they want to keep making money. It's pretty fucking sad.

Tesla is a shitty company now led by a really horrible person. I can't say buying any Tesla is a testament on someone's character because most of those other vehicles, including the original, came from are there people's work, although at some point it will be questionable. The FSD though has always been prolblematic, if you are into that you are complicit. But the cybertruck is Elon musk personified as a car. Buying the Cyber truck, and defending Tesla and musk, you lack some basic character and moral decency at this point, because what he is and the fraud and lying of that company because of him, is out there for all to see. At this point ignorance is no fucking excuse.

There is stuff in here that I agree with and some I don't, but I wont' continue on. I feel bad at this point. You're responses read like someone who was upset while writing them. I don't necessarily have a lot of interest in this specific topic and I'm definitely not looking to cause anyone emotional distress.
 

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But anyway, yeah I was SHOCKED at how good City Driving was in the FSD Beta! I live in a windy, hilly area & it handled the top signs & everything just fine! It doesn't park for you, although you can hit the auto-park button, but it's faster to just pull it yourself when it gets you there. I did use the auto parallel-parking feature in NYC, which was DOPE on a crowded street!

I gave up on trying to use autoparking a few years ago. Perpendicular parking is most common in the area I am. It takes sooo long to actually detect the empty space to make it borderline useless. And the couple of times I actually tried it failed on 1 of them (just stopped with a message saying it couldn't do it). It seems to have a much easier time with parallel parking, but I hardly ever have a need for that. The cameras make backing into a spot manually very easy though.

Sometimes it will popup the parking indicator when sitting in traffic.
 
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Because you can't handle the truth. Do you think companies tell customers what they are doing with all their data? When you buy a Tesla you sign away all your privacy rights.

Since this a a cybertruck thread. That's 6700lbs that goes 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. Thank god the governor limits the top speed to 131mph. That is a lot of speed and weight for autopilot or any pilot driver.

That's sadly true of every single car these days, although Tesla is more problematic due to the prevalence of the cameras. However, its simply not feasible for them to be uploading what would be petabytes of video, but then they wouldn't need to as it likely has a system that flags things based on various criteria and could upload just a few images every so often as well. They can probably secure a local high quality video that can then be uploaded later (either OTA or when serviced).
 

MrSquished

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It's still amazing that people think because FSD doesn't fail on every trip it's just great. It will have more good trips than bad, but that's not the point. The point is it's failure rate is way way too fucking high to be on our streets safely. It's level 2 for a reason and not hitting level 3 for the same reasons. You are the people that are going to be causing accidents because of this fanboyism. It's obscene.

Meanwhile things are going great at Tesla. They just laid off their entire supercharger and new cars team - the supercharger part of the business that is fundamentally sound and has room for lots of expansion due to other carmakers adopting it. Elon is promising new cars too, and people believe it, but laying off the new cars team lol https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/0...eryone-working-on-superchargers-new-vehicles/ This company is imploding and only the cult fanboys are holding it up right now in the market.

Tesla is starting to remind people a bit of Enron. It's been a big stock pump and dump scheme.

Also just another mild tweet from Elon, who has done nothing but espouse pure racism, white supremacy, and pretty much every other of the most horrific movements and things going on in today's world. It's impressive. This stuff is just a drop in the bucket of his horrificness.




Not to mention, he is fully onboard the Trump party fascist train.



YOu just can't separate Tesla from Elon - he is responsible for their SEC fraud, their lying about FSD, causing accidents and deaths, the constant stream of lies about Tesla and Tesla products, and on and on. And then his personal evil on socio-political matters. He is a Nazi at this point.
 
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WelshBloke

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It's still amazing that people think because FSD doesn't fail on every trip it's just great. It will have more good trips than bad, but that's not the point. The point is it's failure rate is way way too fucking high to be on our streets safely. It's level 2 for a reason and not hitting level 3 for the same reasons. You are the people that are going to be causing accidents because of this fanboyism. It's obscene.

Meanwhile things are going great at Tesla. They just laid off their entire supercharger and new cars team - the supercharger part of the business that is fundamentally sound and has room for lots of expansion due to other carmakers adopting it. Elon is promising new cars too, and people believe it, but laying off the new cars team lol https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/0...eryone-working-on-superchargers-new-vehicles/ This company is imploding and only the cult fanboys are holding it up right now in the market.

Tesla is starting to remind people a bit of Enron. It's been a big stock pump and dump scheme.

Also just another mild tweet from Elon, who has done nothing but espouse pure racism, white supremacy, and pretty much every other of the most horrific movements and things going on in today's world. It's impressive. This stuff is just a drop in the bucket of his horrificness.

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Not to mention, he is fully onboard the Trump party fascist train.



YOu just can't separate Tesla from Elon - he is responsible for their SEC fraud, their lying about FSD, causing accidents and deaths, the constant stream of lies about Tesla and Tesla products, and on and on. And then his personal evil on socio-political matters. He is a Nazi at this point.
It honestly looks like he's happy to ruin that company just so he can get that ridiculous bonus he wants.
Tesla are at a point where they would be better off cutting ties with him now. They are a mature company now, not a disruptive startup.
 
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It honestly looks like he's happy to ruin that company just so he can get that ridiculous bonus he wants.
Tesla are at a point where they would be better off cutting ties with him now. They are a mature company now, not a disruptive startup.
The independent Board of Directors will get right onto that. (Emphasis added to make it clear what I'm replying to lol)

/s
 

Kaido

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I gave up on trying to use autoparking a few years ago. Perpendicular parking is most common in the area I am. It takes sooo long to actually detect the empty space to make it borderline useless. And the couple of times I actually tried it failed on 1 of them (just stopped with a message saying it couldn't do it). It seems to have a much easier time with parallel parking, but I hardly ever have a need for that. The cameras make backing into a spot manually very easy though.

Sometimes it will popup the parking indicator when sitting in traffic.

Yeah, my buddy has been doing City FSD & said he just parks himself when he gets there because it's faster to zip in.
 

MrSquished

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Don't worry guys, while Tesla is doing poorly, and Elon is showing his muscle by firing entire employee groups for dumb shit like the charging network and new car development, he's taking care of a fellow white nationalist Nazi on X, which has basically become a place where Elon spoutsfar right wing nazi like drivel and conspiracy theories, and is basically a giant circle jerk of insanely evil people. Don't worry Tesla owners, the company is in good hands, and he only wants a 55 BILLION dollar comp package for all his great work. But he got some more Nazis back on his toy platform so he earned it!

 
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Ackmed

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Not a fan of the silver, but I do like the wraps. Saw this out and about the other day. Leave it to trolls to bring in politics and ignorance though, never gets old.

 
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