Discussion We might be coming up on a generations that primarily votes only in primaries

Charmonium

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My personal belief is that it will be at least a generation before the Grand Old Party wins back any significant (>50%) amount of respect and certainly not power. Plus there's no third party that has any realistic chance of replacing the GOP. Of course this is the D's game to lose and they do have a reputation for snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But let's assume for this discussion that under the leadership of fairly young Ds like Hakeem Jeffries, that they play to their advantages.

If that happens and the GOP are considered to be likely losers in any national or statewide contests, then the flavor of D you may settle on is different from someone else's and suddenly, primaries matter.

If you want to assume that this is the story but in reverse - R replaces D - it's the same thing. With the end result being that the political king snake ends up eating its own tail. That's why I don't think this state of affairs, if they come to pass at all, can last much longer than one or two generations.
 
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Indus

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My personal belief is that it will be at least a generation before the Grand Old Party wins back any significant (>50%) amount of respect and certainly not power. Plus there's no third party that has any realistic chance of replacing the GOP. Of course this is the D's game to lose and they do have a reputation for snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But let's assume for this discussion that under the leadership of fairly young Ds like Hakeem Jeffries, that they play to their advantages.

If that happens and the GOP are considered to be likely losers in any national or statewide contests, then the flavor of D you may settle on is different from someone else's and suddenly, primaries matter.

If you want to assume that this is the story but in reverse - R replaces D - it's the same thing. With the end result being that the political king snake ends up eating its own tail. That's why I don't think this state of affairs, if they come to pass at all, can last much longer than one or two generations.

Lot of passive aggressive catch 22's there.

Simplify
 

tweaker2

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Lol if they don’t win, they’ll cheat their way into power.

As irrefutably proven by Trump and his lackeys. Jail time came to call for so many of Trump's close associates and his minions, so it's way past time that the orange tinted ring leader have his face to face with reality and suffer the consequences.
 

Greenman

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My personal belief is that it will be at least a generation before the Grand Old Party wins back any significant (>50%) amount of respect and certainly not power. Plus there's no third party that has any realistic chance of replacing the GOP. Of course this is the D's game to lose and they do have a reputation for snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But let's assume for this discussion that under the leadership of fairly young Ds like Hakeem Jeffries, that they play to their advantages.

If that happens and the GOP are considered to be likely losers in any national or statewide contests, then the flavor of D you may settle on is different from someone else's and suddenly, primaries matter.

If you want to assume that this is the story but in reverse - R replaces D - it's the same thing. With the end result being that the political king snake ends up eating its own tail. That's why I don't think this state of affairs, if they come to pass at all, can last much longer than one or two generations.
It's far simpler than that. Candidate selection is going to boil down to "who's going to give me the most free stuff". We're already on our way.
 
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^^^ Yes, but if we can get the courts to support anti-bribery laws, candidates won't be able to think that way.
 

Fenixgoon

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It's far simpler than that. Candidate selection is going to boil down to "who's going to give me the most free stuff". We're already on our way.
there's no such thing as a free lunch. it comes from somewhere. for example, i'd love universal healthcare for everyone in the country and would be happy to pay higher taxes in return.
 

Zorba

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It's far simpler than that. Candidate selection is going to boil down to "who's going to give me the most free stuff". We're already on our way.
Straight from Rush's mouth to your ears in 1992.

Unfunded tax cuts are free stuff. Insanely cheap oil rights on federal and state land is free stuff. Wars for cheap gas is free stuff. Republicans love handing out free stuff, just not if it didn't help a billionaire or corporation.
 

Greenman

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there's no such thing as a free lunch. it comes from somewhere. for example, i'd love universal healthcare for everyone in the country and would be happy to pay higher taxes in return.
I think that at this point we're all pretty clear on how "free stuff" works. TANSTAAFL is pretty much a natural law. In the context of politics there is indeed free stuff as it's paid for by others.
I reject Zorbas definition as there is a vast difference between stuff that's given to you and stuff that isn't taken from you.
 
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brycejones

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I think that at this point we're all pretty clear on how "free stuff" works. TANSTAAFL is pretty much a natural law. In the context of politics there is indeed free stuff as it's paid for by others.
I reject Zorbas definition as there is a vast difference between stuff that's given to you and stuff that isn't taken from you.
So you reject reality…

Not shocking
 

HomerJS

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It's far simpler than that. Candidate selection is going to boil down to "who's going to give me the most free stuff". We're already on our way.
We already have that in the tax code with rules skewed to millionaires and billionaires. Trump have them their freebies in 2018. We got higher deficits with no return.
 

Zorba

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I think that at this point we're all pretty clear on how "free stuff" works. TANSTAAFL is pretty much a natural law. In the context of politics there is indeed free stuff as it's paid for by others.
I reject Zorbas definition as there is a vast difference between stuff that's given to you and stuff that isn't taken from you.
If you use government services and infrastructure and don't pay for it, you are getting free stuff, rich people and corporations use a lot of government services and infrastructure. The rest of the stuff on my list was hardly stuff "taken from you." You are given cheap gas with the blood of American solders and trillions in military spending and with the incredibly low cost of pumping oil off federal/state land, and with the strategic oil reserve.
 

JD50

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It's far simpler than that. Candidate selection is going to boil down to "who's going to give me the most free stuff". We're already on our way.
Yes, the GOP's only real policy goal has been tax cuts for as long as I've been alive, it's about time the Democrats also stop caring about how things are paid for.
 
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JD50

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I think that at this point we're all pretty clear on how "free stuff" works. TANSTAAFL is pretty much a natural law. In the context of politics there is indeed free stuff as it's paid for by others.
I reject Zorbas definition as there is a vast difference between stuff that's given to you and stuff that isn't taken from you.
Oh, cool, didn't realize you were in favor of Biden's student loan forgiveness. Afterall they're just going to stop taking money from people who took out the loan.
 
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