‘Getting it over with’ most likely means WAY more dead people, so you’re ok with that?
Funny how people are mad at Biden due to civilian deaths caused by Israel and then when Trump is like ‘just kill them all’ you’re fine with it.
Reminds me of how people were mad at Obama over drone strike fatalities but when Trump hugely increased them nobody cared.
To be clear I’m saying you’re doing this by saying you agree with him/Trump.You're expecting a non hypocritical world and everyone judged the same way.
All around you there is mass evidence to the contrary.
It's incredible how naive and dismissive (in utter disbelief literally) the mass public is to a very simple fact of life.
To be clear I’m saying you’re doing this by saying you agree with him/Trump.
Correct. You agreed with the post that said the same number of people would die in both cases, which is ludicrous.In case you missed it.. I agreed with @GodisanAtheist assessment in post #1995 who you quoted in post #1996 and that's the one I replied to in post #1998.
Correct. You agreed with the post that said the same number of people would die in both cases, which is ludicrous.
The entire thing hinges on swing states and if Biden can't even hold onto the midwest.. it's over barring some miracle in the deep south.
No, I will call clearly ludicrous positions ludicrous. The idea that civilian deaths would be the same is pretty obviously false.Stop calling other people's opinion ludicrous when the status quo and 2000+ years of history makes your opinion look utterly ludicrous!
This problem has been above everyone's paygrade for millennia.
Man, wait until these same voters in Michigan see what Trump has in store for protestors.
What cowardly bullshitStop calling other people's opinion ludicrous when the status quo and 2000+ years of history makes your opinion look utterly ludicrous!
This problem has been above everyone's paygrade for millennia.
No, I will call clearly ludicrous positions ludicrous. The idea that civilian deaths would be the same is pretty obviously false.
I’m not sure - do you think saying you agree with Trump will help get Biden elected?Great.. will your calling ludicrous positions ludicrous help Biden get re-elected?
If not can you please come up with something that can and tell him about it.
I don't want another Trump term!
Along with many others, I'd like the Biden administration to do more than they have to prevent further devastation. But let's not create a false equivalence between current policy and what Trump would be telling Israel. The Biden administration has reportedly told Israel to not assault Rafah, period. To some degree, you're right that the administration always feels a step behind, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. There is no policy we could choose that would appease both sides (and I don't mean Israel as one of those sides). We like to think POTUS is the most powerful person in the world, but is he really? Why can't he even get Bibi to stand down?
There just are no good solutions here, and I think what needs to be crystal clear to Israel is that there is a red line (i.e. full assault on Rafah), and if they cross it, there will be severe consequences (we pull the plug on military aid). Otherwise we're a dog that's all bark, and no bite. (To state the obvious, I don't think we're anywhere near abandoning Israel as a staunch ally, for reasons that do include pro-Israel lobbying.)
If Trump was POTUS, he would have green-lit a ground invasion of Rafah over a month ago. How do you even know that 50k deaths are inevitable any way you slice it, so it's politically preferable to get it over with quickly? For one, I think the Biden administration is trying to prevent 50k more deaths. And two, I think assaulting Rafah would open the door to Hezbollah and Iran escalating, and now you have a much more dangerous regional war that almost certainly draws in U.S. armed forces.
I don't think Gaza will be a top-4 issue for voters in November (1 and 2 are clearly the economy and the southern border). It could be important in Michigan*, but "It's the economy, stupid" will most likely be decisive across the handful of battleground states. IMHO people's feelings about the economy will be baked in sometime this summer, and are unlikely to change a month or two before the election.
* Very sobering article centered around Dearborn:
Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.
Michigan has the power to unravel a second Biden presidency. It just might.slate.com
The core mistake wasn't putting a precise number on the catastrophe.- I made an argumentative mistake by putting a number, 50K in this case, on the deaths.
In this alternative timeline we don't know that it's at 30k here and now, and whether it will be 50/75/100k when it's all over.
I think fundamentally it's always going to be "a lot of deaths" the only factor the POTUS really has any control over is the time variable and making things drag out or resolve quickly.
Incumbency in a time of inflation is a real bitch. Just ask Carter.Anyone feeling like DD is biased?
Incumbency in a time of inflation is a real bitch. Just ask Carter.
And if certain Dem voters want to abandon ship over Israel.....
2024 is a real risk. We need to get out the vote.
Absolutely POTUS does have power to influence, and Biden has to use it when necessary. Unless I'm mistaken, the foreign aid bill that just passed reduces one of the levers we have over Israel. And yeah Bibi DGAF, but he should if we drew a red line at Rafah and if crossed, stopped military aid to exert max. pressure. What I'm trying to say is that U.S. policy has shifted since Oct. 7th, largely due to how the IDF has conducted itself.* There's always room to "do more," and clearly there's a lot more work to be done no matter what ultimately happens in the current conflict.But each world leader does have the power to put their hand on the scale. Unfortunately for POTUS they’d get far more scrutiny from the western world than dictators that don’t give a rats ass what they do. Bibi is one of those that just doesn’t care. Like no matter how much Biden insists on a seize fire, cutting off aid won’t make a difference in the short term. Unless it drags on for a year and Israel gets no more aid for that entire time before he’ll change his mind.
Absolutely POTUS does have power to influence, and Biden has to use it when necessary. Unless I'm mistaken, the foreign aid bill that just passed reduces one of the levers we have over Israel. And yeah Bibi DGAF, but he should if we drew a red line at Rafah and if crossed, stopped military aid to exert max. pressure. What I'm trying to say is that U.S. policy has shifted since Oct. 7th, largely due to how the IDF has conducted itself.* There's always room to "do more," and clearly there's a lot more work to be done no matter what ultimately happens in the current conflict.
I just disagree wholeheartedly with this Genocide Joe BS, and that our administration doesn't give a fuck. Biden is not the CiC of the IDF, and we are not tacitly endorsing their vengeance tour.
* Do people think that if Trump was POTUS, he would have cared how the IDF has operated and would have shifted U.S. policy in response? I highly doubt it, based on his past pro-Israel policy. The only thing that's changed for Trump is he got butt hurt that Bibi called Joe Biden to congratulate the President-Elect. As we all know, for Trump, everything is transactional.
* Do people think that if Trump was POTUS, he would have cared how the IDF has operated and would have shifted U.S. policy in response? I highly doubt it, based on his past pro-Israel policy. The only thing that's changed for Trump is he got butt hurt that Bibi called Joe Biden to congratulate the President-Elect. As we all know, for Trump, everything is transactional.
Trump-the guy that reversed decades of bilateral Presidential practice and greenlighted the move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Trump was so loved by the current right wing Israeli government that they plastered his picture all over public buses.Trump's only comments on this issue have indicated that he thinks Israel should better conceal what they are doing not that he thinks it is wrong. If they killed every last Palestinian I don't think he'd have a problem with it, he just doesn't like the bad press.
It’s also amazing how short people’s memories are. This is the same sort of thing people said in 2000 and 2016 - how did that work out.Trump-the guy that reversed decades of bilateral Presidential practice and greenlighted the move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Trump was so loved by the current right wing Israeli government that they plastered his picture all over public buses.
To "punish" Biden by voting in Trump is about as wrong a decision as a person could make.
It’s also amazing how short people’s memories are. This is the same sort of thing people said in 2000 and 2016 - how did that work out.
I’m not so sure about that - he’s very unpopular!You just proved the biggest selling point of Trump. They forget everything about him because new stuff every 20 mins on twitter.
We seriously as a country need to de-trumpify!
I’m not so sure about that - he’s very unpopular!
Like I said, polls at this point aren't very instructive because people aren't paying much attention. That being said, as we've moved closer to election season and people are paying more attention Trump's position seems to be eroding.Then how is Biden behind him in popularity??
Is it just because Trump is a big FUCK YOU LIBS to us?