The last device I had that was too slow in webbrowsing from my point of view was my 2013 phone with 1GHz ARM single core. 30% uplift is nice, but if it means a website loads in 0.7s instead of 1s I couldn't care less. But i'm not everyone. I just wanted to say that for me it all moves to a wrong direction. I definitely don't need 12 Cores that have 30% higher IPC than current best cores.Your literal web browser.
Yeah, it's probably more expensive to produce than Strix, but AMD isn't shy to increase prices when they got a dominating product (see Vermeer). So we will see what is more expensive for the Bayer at the end of this year.LNL itself is the expensive part.
It's a premium tablet part.
Just like the old overpriced -Y things.
Only DT got the server L2 extension and it defo didn't get the P5 FMA.
They aren't?Golden Cove client and server completely different in die shots
All GLCs are the same thing?Raptor Cove is indistinguishable from Golden Cove server in die shots
They aren't?
Thanks!a) yes yuo do
b) 1t perf delta!
155 or so.
A tiny bit bigger than TGL-U.
Zen 5 is supposed to be a JIT shredder. Anything js based will get a huge uplift is what Adroc is trying to say. This isn't restricted to your browser only. PWAs, anything with Electron backend (A surprising amount of popular modern software), etc should get substantial and very noticeable by the consumer QoL improvements in performance.The last device I had that was too slow in webbrowsing from my point of view was my 2013 phone with 1GHz ARM single core. 30% uplift is nice, but if it means a website loads in 0.7s instead of 1s I couldn't care less. But i'm not everyone. I just wanted to say that for me it all moves to a wrong direction. I definitely don't need 12 Cores that have 30% higher IPC than current best cores.
Both Strix and Lunar should be more or less in the same ballpark for pricing, even if AMD raise (by a lot) prices . Unless Intel started discounting LNL recently, it's a very expensive part despite the mobility focus. Tiled, Packaging, N3B and MOP don't come in cheap.Yeah, it's probably more expensive to produce than Strix, but AMD isn't shy to increase prices when they got a dominating product (see Vermeer). So we will see what is more expensive for the Bayer at the end of this year.
Well DT and server have 2MB L2 at barely more area so "new floorplan" is the organic assumption.No idea where the notion came from.
Kinda the selling point of any chungus core, really.Zen 5 is supposed to be a JIT shredder. Anything js based will get a huge uplift is what Adroc is trying to say. This isn't restricted to your browser only. PWAs, anything with Electron backend (A surprising amount of popular modern software), etc should get substantial and very noticeable by the consumer QoL improvements in performance.
I belive it was still under the old arrangements where the foundry was basically giving them away to CCG. Now that Foundry is separated, CCG needs to pay the fair share for the RPL.
Hence why Adroc says Intel tiled designs have cost structure problems. Before, CCG would pay "nothing" for the Intel Foundry dies. Now they have to pay the fair share and also are bound to external manufacturing prices. Coupled with expensive packaging and validation, Intel is cooked at low-end due to expensive cost adders that they can't eliminate.
PHX 2 is 137mm². RPL-U/ADL-U is around 180 - 200mm² iirc? (Less P cores but GT3 Iris Xe GPU compared to DT GT1 GPU).
For this year, yes. Next year, Barcelo-R, Rembrandt-R and HWK are RIP (Except for some very budget designs). Kraken will come with force to replace them. It's an AI PC Ready SoC and will introduce AI PC for the mainstream designs.
Well that's only happening because AMD has a chungus 1t advantage allowing them to push units very aggressively.Interesting rate of improvement for low end from Q1 2024 to Q1 2025 between Intel and AMD:
- AMD: Barcelo-R, Rembrandt-R and HWK -> Kraken
- Intel: Raptor -> Raptor
Well that's only happening because AMD has a chungus 1t advantage allowing them to push units very aggressively.
Ughh I mean Turin-D CCD is also N3e lmao.Staying on N4/N5 while Apple and Intel move to N3 means enough capacity
Ughh I mean Turin-D CCD is also N3e lmao.
You can literally find it now.Hawk Point: June 2024
Dates too arbitrary to matter.Strix Point: November 2024
Strix Halo: June 2025
Arrows are mostly CES'25 and LNL follows the *exact same* cadence as Strix1.Lunar Lake, Arrow Lake: November 2024
Panther Lake: September 2025
AMD being able to slot into Commercial designs is a really good move as that's one area very Intel dominated and that has good revenue potential.It looks like AMD is aiming to become more of a player here, with Zen 4 and Zen 5 derivatives, further depriving Intel of its ability to wage unfair competition.
Intel Low-End next year will be a interesting thing to see. According to Bionic:Interesting rate of improvement for low end from Q1 2024 to Q1 2025 between Intel and AMD:
- AMD: Barcelo-R, Rembrandt-R and HWK -> Kraken
- Intel: Raptor -> Raptor
Well yeah but that's a cost structure problem, Intel is themselves to blame.
Like QC will be shipping your purvas and AMD will be shipping krakens just fine.
SINGLEWhat's the selling point of Kraken over Phoenix, specifically Hawk Point?
1TI'm guessing Kraken will be the standard choice for the ROG Ally and Legion Go follow-ups. Better battery life? Better performance at 20W? Just better CPU performance from Zen5?
If I understand correctly, wide availability of laptops (eg other than Asus or whoever the first OEM is) would be around:
Hawk Point: June 2024
Strix Point: November 2024
Strix Halo: June 2025
Correct?
And for Intel:
Lunar Lake, Arrow Lake: November 2024
Panther Lake: September 2025
(Just trying to get a clearer picture of how the competition will go, if I'm wide off the mark please correct me!)
1T performance uplift, better perf/W and battery life, simpler design for AMD. But, also, it will comply with MS AI PC 45 TOPs requirement and thus OEMs who use KRK will be able to market it as AI PC while also receiving rebates.What's the selling point of Kraken over Phoenix, specifically Hawk Point?
I'm guessing Kraken will be the standard choice for the ROG Ally and Legion Go follow-ups. Better battery life? Better performance at 20W? Just better CPU performance from Zen5?
I checked the OEMs a couple of weeks back andYou can literally find it now.
In like $600 craptops.
Dates too arbitrary to matter.
Do channel checks.
Arrows are mostly CES'25 and LNL follows the *exact same* cadence as Strix1.
24Q1 for Hawk Point seems weird. I just checked Lenovo's website and the ThinkPads are still all Phoenix. Same with other OEMs. Hawk Point seems to be trickling out. (I don't dispute AMD sales numbers from their earnings report. Just saying that I've yet to see Hawk Point versions of the laptops I'd buy available. Perhaps they're going to gamer laptops first.)Not to tie it to specific month, just quarter, I would say:
Q3 2023 Phoenix
Q1 2024 Hawk Point
Q3 2024 Strix Point
Q1 2025 Strix Halo, Kraken
What's the selling point of Kraken over Phoenix, specifically Hawk Point?
I'm guessing Kraken will be the standard choice for the ROG Ally and Legion Go follow-ups. Better battery life? Better performance at 20W? Just better CPU performance from Zen5?
I checked the OEMs a couple of weeks back and
24Q1 for Hawk Point seems weird. I just checked Lenovo's website and the ThinkPads are still all Phoenix. Same with other OEMs. Hawk Point seems to be trickling out. (I don't dispute AMD sales numbers from their earnings report. Just saying that I've yet to see Hawk Point versions of the laptops I'd buy available.)
Even so, the guidance is appreciated.
ThinkPads haven't been refreshed yet outside of P1 and X1c.I just checked Lenovo's website and the ThinkPads are still all Phoenix
Somewhere July.for me, whiat is the date when you estimate the 9950x will be available ?
Ok I get it, but for ~25W gaming handhelds that are choking on memory bandwidth and power for the iGPU this doesn't make it exactly a big selling point. Phoenix's 8-core CPU performance already looks pretty unbalanced compared to the GPU.1T
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I get the perf/W part, but the AI part is meaningless for the Ryzen Zx parts coming to these devices, as they're probably going to be disabled again anyway.1T performance uplift, better perf/W and battery life, simpler design for AMD. But, also, it will comply with MS AI PC 45 TOPs requirement and thus OEMs who use KRK will be able to market it as AI PC while also receiving rebates.
PHX/HWK don't comply here and thus are phased out.
I think you mean Strix Point? Hawk Point is just Phoenix refresh.Rog Ally 2 should use Hawk Point given its 16CUs, otherwise there s no...point to call it 2.
It means less power going to CPU in GPU-limited scenarios.Ok I get it, but for ~25W gaming handhelds that are choking on memory bandwidth and power for the iGPU this doesn't make it exactly a big selling point.