Benchmarking and gaming. Cinebench stress test is the heaviest load. (30mins)
Motherboard is at factory settings with XMP enabled. I'll never overclock this chip, if anything I'll just undervolt for better temps.
Benchmarking and gaming. Cinebench stress test is the heaviest load. (30mins)What are your usage patterns?
Tinkered with any mobo settings or is it running at its factory default settings?
That should not needed for a stock Intel CPU. Just a decent aftermarket air cooler. The problem is that "stock" includes wattages far above the advertised 253 watts.One question that comes to my mind: is cooling a variant when it comes to these CPUs being unstable? How many of these 13900k/s and 14900k/s users have full custom water or similar and can keep temps low even at full load? These CPUs are insanely difficult to cool.
It shouldn't, but at the same time both AMD and Intel have sold CPUs recently that can overwhelm a good HSF's ability to cool the CPU. The difference is in what happens afterwards - maybe.That should not needed for a stock Intel CPU. Just a decent aftermarket air cooler. The problem is that "stock" includes wattages far above the advertised 253 watts.
The fact that AMD chose that temp limit means they probably have data to back it up and they are super confident that it will not impact their CPUs adversely in the long term.A 7950X will keep boosting until it saturates the cooler or until it hits 230W PPT, whichever comes first. It'll chug along at 95C all day long, no problem.
AMD also has an elaborate temp sensor network on each CCD, as well as a sophisticated boost algo that uses the worst hotspot on the CCD to limit clocks and volts. When installed and run with default settings on a Z790 motherboard, a 14900ks (for example) is not the same critter.The fact that AMD chose that temp limit means they probably have data to back it up and they are super confident that it will not impact their CPUs adversely in the long term.
If only Intel made data backed decisions...
AMD also has an elaborate temp sensor network on each CCD, as well as a sophisticated boost algo that uses the worst hotspot on the CCD to limit clocks and volts. When installed and run with default settings on a Z790 motherboard, a 14900ks (for example) is not the same critter.
If I had F-U money, I would put the 14900KS in a H770 mobo and wear a T-shirt saying "My 14900KS lives with a H770 for safety reasons!".When installed and run with default settings on a Z790 motherboard, a 14900ks (for example) is not the same critter.
Ehh, if there is a potential lawsuit, I suspect Intel will probably fight tooth and nail for a few years before settling for a few hundred thousand and then everyone gets like $20 for their troubles. In the grand scheme of things, it was worth it for Intel to pump up the power to inflate benchmarks.I smell a class action lawsuit coming because that is a big performance loss versus advertised numbers.
It seems ASRock has joined this practice as early as 2023, and I just learnt about it. Here is another example (click here), readers can pay attention to the BIOS version and the corresponding official release date, so ASRock has known about it for a long time!
I'm not so sure this was worth it at all. This is the kind of widespread fiasco that will absolutely lead to intel losing not just even more DIY, but OEMs as well.Ehh, if there is a potential lawsuit, I suspect Intel will probably fight tooth and nail for a few years before settling for a few hundred thousand and then everyone gets like $20 for their troubles. In the grand scheme of things, it was worth it for Intel to pump up the power to inflate benchmarks.
Maybe I’m a little jaded, but that’s what history has shown will happen.
What's the highest power that 7950X can be pushed to consume with PBO? Link to an article would be nice. 5950X could be forced to consume 300W or more, for negligible performance gains.FTR the 7950X doesnt exhaust its 230W PPT rating, and there s limitations such that it wont pull more than 195W in Prime 95 as per Computerbase tests, wich is 90W per CCD and 15W for the I/O.
Yay! At least you and I are minimally impacted. I will hug my 12700K tonight.Hmm, am I going to regret getting a 12700k on sale last year. Though the numbers don't too bad for the12th gen K processors.
7950X is 95°C limited, so unless you use some exotic cooling you ll hardly manage to reach the 230W PPT, 5950X didnt have such a brick walled limitation, hence you could overclock it at higher than 230W, but as you said it was pointless perf wise.What's the highest power that 7950X can be pushed to consume with PBO? Link to an article would be nice. 5950X could be forced to consume 300W or more, for negligible performance gains.
I disagree. Intel's boost algo takes into account individual core temps on top of power and current limits (whether they are enforced or not). Not only that, Intel has more than one thermal throttling mechanics available in their latest CPUs. The limit is also configurable, I have mine lowered from 100C to 85C using UEFI settings. The CPU will not exceed this ceiling, and will individually throttle cores as they reach the limit.AMD also has an elaborate temp sensor network on each CCD, as well as a sophisticated boost algo that uses the worst hotspot on the CCD to limit clocks and volts. When installed and run with default settings on a Z790 motherboard, a 14900ks (for example) is not the same critter.
Every high end OEM PC I have seen tested by someone reputable that isn't taking money from the company (see Gamers Nexus) already underperforms vs testbench. Or quite often is lackluster vs the lower tier CPU from the same generation that doesn't stress the cheesy power delivery or cooling so much. I doubt most gamers that buy Dell, Alienware, HP, or Lenovo gaming PCs will even notice the difference. We'll see. You may be right and they launch their own class action?I'm not so sure this was worth it at all. This is the kind of widespread fiasco that will absolutely lead to intel losing not just even more DIY, but OEMs as well.
There are countless Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, and MSI prebuilt boxes sold with i7 and i9 K-SKUs at a tidy markup that are even more heinously thermally constricted than custom built gaming machines. These are going to come back for RMA, OR people are going to ask for their money back after the new BIOS nerfs performance.
Those people are going to treat their experience with 13th-14th gen like your dad talks about his one friend that bought a Yugo in the 1980s - a horrible mistake that lead to heartbreak and headaches whether or not they get their system stable or their money back.
It is okay to love your CPU. Just don't LOVE your CPU. 🫵Yay! At least you and I are minimally impacted. I will hug my 12700K tonight.
That's the current meme/joke making the rounds. It'll massively dilute the day one benchmarks, if they do that. Because the comments sections will review bomb the hell out of it. Aussie Steve will char it to a crisp with one of his long scathing conclusions. GN Steve will clown it so hard the kids that idolize him won't even buy Intel on a bet when he is done /wild prognostication.Back to topics with this RPL debacle Intel can now claim even better numbers for ARL, you can be sure that they wont miss the occasion.
Very nice. Did not know that. What is the UEFI option called?The limit is also configurable, I have mine lowered from 100C to 85C using UEFI settings.
14th gen is really the kicker IMO.Those people are going to treat their experience with 13th-14th gen like your dad talks about his one friend that bought a Yugo in the 1980s - a horrible mistake that lead to heartbreak and headaches whether or not they get their system stable or their money back.
With MSI it's called "CPU Over Temp. Protection", and can be set between 65-115C. Skaterbencher also talks about it in the video I linked above, mentions that going over 100C is only available on K SKUs.Very nice. Did not know that. What is the UEFI option called?
LOLZ that's the best thing I've read today.but the 12900K actually gained performance with the baseline. Alder Lake stronk!
I don't care who you are, that's funny.My brain wasn't wrong when it read RPL-R as "Repeller".
That's the current meme/joke making the rounds. It'll massively dilute the day one benchmarks, if they do that. Because the comments sections will review bomb the hell out of it. Aussie Steve will char it to a crisp with one of his long scathing conclusions. GN Steve will clown it so hard the kids that idolize him won't even buy Intel on a bet when he is done /wild prognostication.