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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Mark is a troll and the mods protect him. User insults are not allowed in tech. Moderator callouts are not allowed period. AT Mod Usandthem
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    What’s your temp?
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Agreed, except thats a Zen 3 Threadripper Pro, not Zen 4. In any case that’s what I want, but I’m not willing to pay above Threadripper prices. Those were already high enough. If Intel can give me 32 Raptor Cove cores at a reasonable price with near 13900K single core performance, I’ll buy my...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Threadripper is discontinued. Zen 3 Threadripper Pro is $4k for 32 cores, is not HEDT, but workstation, a different segment. There are no rumors of a 96 core Threadripper Pro either. Intel certainly had nothing to offer for 1 socket that competes with 96 core Genoa, but I’m talking about CPUs...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Prediction for next internet points, now that I won my 13900K 15% faster than 5800X 3D with non-potato ddr5 and no gpu bottlenecks (Mark and others, I expect my points by noon): Intel counters 7950X 3D with 32 core raptor cove only HEDT Raptor Lake - S at $1,500, 24 core at 1,000 and 13900KS at...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    29.34% =~30
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    internet points earned
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Agreed, as long as ArrowLake follows as closely as speculated. I doubt Raptor Lake will do well against Zen 5 in 2024.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Quite an impressive change to uarch for 1 year. Intel may be getting its house in order.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Disappointingly confusing SKUs
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    The best test of stability is to leave your PC on for a few weeks. It took me a few months to find stable CO values. Now my 5950x is stable with most cores at -25 to -30, but a few as low as -15. No crashes in 6 months, including a 2 month always on stretch.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Who cares if they hit 6ghz for a nanosecond? The effective clock is a more accurate representation of the cpu’s behavior. For reference: https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/effective-clock-vs-instant-discrete-clock.5958/ “This new method has been tested on several CPUs and has shown to...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Effective clock is 5.8Ghz, not 6. Still very nice.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Intel has stated there will be desktop Meteor Lake bins, whats uncertain is whether there will be high end Meteor Lake desktop parts. For Intel’s sake that would be good, though I’m not optimistic given the talk of clock speed regressions and that the largest leaked part is 6P+8E.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Wrong
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    That 105 W TDP means PPT = 142W, and represents the maximum sustained (indefinite) draw. AMDs TDP means nothing, the CPU will draw up to the socket limit indefinitely, which is 142W. Thats the stock behavior. Stock for 13900K is 125W PL1, but like AMD will indefinitely draw their socket limit...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Stop what? I asked why Mark thought 13900K would vastly underperform in PPW compared to 7950X, the topic of this thread, and provided the rumoured PPT/TDP’s for AMD and Intel’s top parts to give context for my question. This was on topic at least as much as his comment. He responded with a...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Rumors put 13900K at 250W PPT/PL2. Are you calling me a troll? If so, I guess I should report you, to you. Control yourself. Apparently you didn't believe my warning about sticking to the topic esquared Anandtech Forum Director
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    They have nearly identical PPT (13900K 250W, 7950X 230) and 7950X has 50W higher TDP (though that is just a paper spec, under load both will hit their PPT), what are you referring to?
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    That's because Raptor Lake doesn't have AVX512...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    What cache related bug?
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I used to like him, but man he seems so aggressive these days. Going after Ryan Shrout, calling him a liar repeatedly was deeply unprofessional, and felt like a personal grievance that he let get to him.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    ~16% fewer l2 misses
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    I think they need to traverse the l3?
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    That is not what the leaks show. Everything 13600K and above is Raptor Cove
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    I cant wait for us to have actual benchmarks and for people to argue about something else. Both chips are going to be great, lets celebrate choices and the competition that wrought them.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    13900K seems pretty good then. 60% bump on 12900K will probably make it competitive with 7950x (35% bump prior expectation over 5950X), though slower, especially if decompression can make use of AVX512.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Should I be looking at the 171GIPS number or the 231, or the average, 201? On the 12900K all of those numbers are ~145. If it's the 231, it's 15% faster than 5950x, if 201, it's even.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Yeah but if you consider that e cores matter and matter is mc^2, Raptor Lake must contain the power of the Sun, which is tough to cool. That concerns me. Better wait for reviews but Intel is [redacted]. Profanity is not allowed in the tech forums. AT Mod Usandthem
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Yeah it will be 30-50
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    8 more
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Boooooo
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Eh, splitting potatos here. I think noctua NH-D15 or better, as long as its not inside Satan’s p schute.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Not a potato (not gpu limited)
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Reminder that I bet 5 internet points on 13900K with non-potato DDR5 being 15% faster than 5800X 3D.
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    Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Look at your statement. It is clearly not production performance.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Very useful, thanks
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    My 2 interests are multiple high end GPUs for data science tasks, and very high speed ssd’s for some specific database stuff. Im not sure if either upcoming consumer solutions gets me there, although maybe pci5 for GPU isnt so important when using nvlink (assuming 4090 supports that)
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Yep super exciting. Been years since weve had 2 competitive CPUs launch near each other. Feels like were back in Coppermine vs Athlon days.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Yeah thats a good point. I kind of dont care about perf/watt as much as perf/$, where pain is $, how much the CPU and any mobo/ram/case changes cost, whether it makes my room hot requiring updates AC (so $ too), and what the failure rate is on the cooling solution I need is (can I air cool)...
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