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  1. Question Will the $115 I3 12100 processor reset the 'budget' PC scene?

    Vaporware? I've yet to see one. If they existed for sale, at $100-$120ish I would say yes, awesome, but it appears to be a similar paper entry like 3100/3300 😐😔 Edit : to underline this somewhat, an eBay search of recent history shows only 5 5300Gs have sold globally in the recorded period. 4...

  2. Question Will the $115 I3 12100 processor reset the 'budget' PC scene?

    GPU wise the market is still really skewed. I mean the 12100 is basically a modern replacement for the i7-7700 more or less, and those still run most things pretty well with appropriate settings and GPUs aside from rare exceptions (admittedly these will inevitably increase with time). I do...

  3. Discussion Do you think the M-chip in the Mac Pro will have a soldered CPU ?

    Apple's Mac Pro line kind of meanders the lines between lumbering, slumbering, and blundering depending on the gen, but in general it seems they iterate a little too lazily to be very compelling outside of certain release window timeframes for anyone beyond Mac diehards with a very intrinsic...

  4. Xbox Series X

    Ok so here's my take. If you have a strong PC (you do), and are used to Steam/GOG/etc, Mouse+KB or pad for certain games, then there is mostly no point in having an Xbox. However, big caveat if you have a library or even a handful of what you consider essential OG Xbox and 360 games you want...

  5. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Lol, I am probably being spoiled and somewhat hypocritical (given my view on CPU pricing and options), but I've yet to use an APU or IGP that wasn't almost useless for 3d. Even the 5700G is mostly agonizing and I'd rather be on a 1050ti or even ancient 770/960 level GPU. It's frustrating...

  6. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    True. The focus on 12900K is less interesting to me overall compared to the entire Alder stack and what it represents. We were all impressed with Zen3, but less so for it's extremely incomplete product stack and sizable barrier to entry for the contemporary 7nm Zen3 derivative. The promise...

  7. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Lol I won't post the whole thing again, but yeah, I think it should be hardly surprising to anyone who has seen this play out so many times already. It's harder to find a memory gen leap that didn't at the very least have initial limited appeal, high cost, and eventually large improvement once...

  8. Question Fastest non-gaming business build

    True that. Still, never know when someone else might come upon the thread and be curious about it.

  9. Question Fastest non-gaming business build

    Not too shabby, yet the GPU does nothing for the business crowd these days. The AMD APUs and Intel IGP are both more than good enough even for a pair of 4k outputs without lagging (for 2d and video playback). Swap the 11700 for the 12700k Swap to Z690 DDR4 Skip the GPU Use savings for a DH15...

  10. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Very nice. I have a friend who needed a new music rig for Protools etc. We ended up with : 12700K DH15 Chromax GA-Z690 Aorus Elite DDR4 64GB (4x16) DDR4 3200 - Silicon Power C16 2x2TB 970 Evo + 1x1TB 970 Evo for OS 650W Corsair RMX Corsair 5000D Airflow IGP for single 34" UW MSI 1440p (no...

  11. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    The past couple pages have been a little messy with misunderstanding lol. Mark is THE epitome or someone wanting max MT 24/7 loads running without exotic cooling. That's the playground of the 5950X right now. For someone running mixed use who is also willing to splurge on the cooling like a...

  12. Question To Alder Lake or Not To Alder Lake?

    I'd put 12600k and 12700k as the top gaming options w/DDR4 (3600 Gear 1), but that is a real problem right now because GPUs are so ungodly expensive that it's just not a realistic buy for most people. And if someone is just trying to make an old 1080 or something work, then even an 8600K, Ryzen...

  13. Nvidia ending support for Kepler GPU

    Dang. At least it was 8+ years. The contemporary Radeon 7000 series has been deprecated now for a while. I'm glad AMD did better supporting the 7000 series (perhaps because of the refresh?) much better than they supported the 4000, 5000 and 6000 series. They pushed those over a cliff in a way...

  14. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure it's quite that simple. For example, look at the 12700K. It's an 8+4 P/E (B/L if you wish), and it's very noticeably less voracious than the 12900K stock v stock, which seems to be due to the i9 being juiced up to hit those last few hundred Mhz on the...

  15. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I haven't kept up with the layout of Aldy, how does the GPU area relate to all of this? Also, how would a hypothetical GPUless Alder derivative look with an 8+16 layout (P+E)? Similar size?

  16. Question CPU mining - "Raptorium". Now also "Avian".

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  17. Question Asus P8Z68 cannot get SSD M.2 on PCIE Adapter to install

    You're probably fine, lack of power is the better of the two options between too much and too little ☺️ That's a rare bird, the old SATA type m.2. A lot of that is because there was already an arguably more sensible format for small laptop SATA based SSDs called mSATA, and the m.2 interface...

  18. Question Asus P8Z68 cannot get SSD M.2 on PCIE Adapter to install

    Aye. It does vary a bit, I had the P8P67 Pro (earlyish variant), and was eventually able to get an nVME drive set up for my brother after trying a couple of adapters, but could never get it to boot from it, despite a lot of effort in different bios versions and so forth. It feels like something...

  19. Question Asus P8Z68 cannot get SSD M.2 on PCIE Adapter to install

    Hey Thibs, sorry mate, there is no reasonable way to get a typical M.2 SSD to work as a boot drive on Intel 6-series chipsets (viewable by bios or windows setup). I've been down that road. The best cheap solution is to get a budget SATA SSD and roll that way trouble free, and hold onto the...

  20. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Yeah, the KT800 stuff for 939 was just fine. Seemed to avoid the cycle of troubled/fixed(A) that they went through repeatedly with Socket A.

  21. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    What? You didn't enjoy being a beta tester and paying for the privilege? 🥲😂 Some notable experiences from my end : AMD Irongate. Not going to lie, I had fun with goldfingered Athlon Slot A stuff, but the motherboards I used (an Asus and an Abit I think) both had nightmare level issues with...

  22. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Agree with Mark, 12900K is a compelling CPU for a *very* specific type of person, but its niche is pretty slim, IMHO. AIOs of the 360mm variety and up (custom loop) are quite a consideration in added cost and annoyance over products that can perform quite well under solid air cooling. As we've...

  23. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I think early sales figures could be fairly deceptive, and looking at Micro Center on Thursday (built a 10400 for a client who just needed a workstation for an auto dealership, at $179, it was by far the best price/perf combined with a $119 Asus Prime B560), things are not looking healthy for...

  24. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I think the 12900K only exists due to needing those headline performance metrics, which admittedly outshine the 5950X as the new overall king of consumer socket desktop processors. Of course, to achieve these peaks, they packed as much as possible on the die, clocked as high as reasonably*...

  25. NOW CLOSED ; List some movies you've watched recently. Theatre, rental, TV... and give a */10

    The Alpinist - Nausea/10 Another look at a free solo kind of climber, this time dude becomes more into high altitude solo ice climbing. Not sure what to say about it that isn't obvious. Gorgeous filming, and it's on the viewer whether or not this is something they'll enjoy seeing. My reaction...

  26. Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    The big thing that has saved Intel considering how much better the Zen and Epyc families has been on so many levels vs the competition is volume from TSMC. Especially with Apple, GPUs etc competing for limited capacity, it's really bottlenecking the potential sales in a huge way. Exciting...

  27. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Agreed. It's beautifully illustrated here : https://www.anandtech.com/show/1702/5 Now, it's feeling kind of familiar with the rise of Zen and now the Alder family. Apple gets into a walled architecture while a heavy battle between Intel and AMD results in a wild escalation in performance.

  28. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I was actually sad to see Motorola and then PPC continually decline over time. The mental gymnastics of the early to mid 2000s Apple world were insane to witness. Athlon 64 and X2 were basically ignored by the devout, and we kept hearing about how amazing the Mac Pro was despite it getting...

  29. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Well, the thread is definitely about Alder Lake, and unless the conversation is limited to just how Alder compares to Rocket, then it is what it is, people will continue to compare it to current and future products from AMD, Apple, etc. Anyone upset by performance metrics, or overly attached to...

  30. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Lol. "Arbitrary Standard" should be the official trademark of Apple. And forget 2020 Apple performance, given that the newest M1 derivatives still lag in peak ST performance to these releases. I think the leapfrog wargames between Intel and AMD will make the M family a bit of an afterthought...

  31. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

  32. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I'm more and more seeing this release akin to Zen1 or Nehalem. Extremely promising but some rough edges in a lot of areas. Pros : +Excellent single thread and multi thread capabilities +Competitive CPU Pricing +Introduction of new standards that will only become more influential and important...

  33. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Check out the new GN reviews aka Tech Jesus. TLDR, the 12900K in unleashed mode is a 360mm AIO level of toasty, the 12600K is ok with a decent air cooler.

  34. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Indeed. I think the 12900K is of very narrow appeal, bursty type loads like someone running Photoshop for work, weekly Premiere renders, etc. For heavy sustained compute, 5950 or TR builds just make more sense. For (very high end) gaming, 12600/700 make more sense, for budget gaming sticking...

  35. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I think the Venn diagram of people buying flagship CPUs but fussing over pennies in electric costs are basically non-existent. Now pure heat output as a concern for someone literally running full load 24/7, that is actually a type of person that exists.

  36. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I'm very much with you. 12900K is hot and super niche. 12600K and 12700K would make nice partners with high end GPUs for gaming. Platform being so new means expensive mobos, immature OS support, and the DDR5 first wave is probably worth skipping. I could foresee 12400F being a budget...

  37. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Well ... Nothing to be honest. Even with a 3090 the 5950X is only 0-2% faster than the 5600X. With a typical midrange GPU, anything from a 2700X, 8086K, etc on up will be functionality identical at 1080/ultra and 1440p/medhigh. The 1080 benches are more for seeing what the ultimate...

  38. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    I almost feel like copying and pasting my old comment about Ram, but suffice to say, yet again the 'early' new gen Ram is unappealing and overpriced, but like every single other time that will change pretty quickly. We've become spoiled by elite level DDR4 as it's evolved, along with competitive...

  39. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    This is particularly evident when looking at the 5600X vs 5950X gaming benches. With a 3090 and at 1080p, the gap is ~2% on average across a couple dozen or so of the most demanding titles (per HWU). In fact, the gap is basically explained by the cache difference, which affects a few titles more...

  40. Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    Well, I mean also like DDR4 4000/C17 level stuff or better would probably be pretty great with it, but we'll have to wait to see how it plays out in GN/etc
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