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  1. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Igor, come on man, you are on a tech forum. Don't fall for that argument. Movie framerate and video game framerate, are two complete different things. In movies, you have the natural occurring, shutter motion blur included in each frame (if it's cgi, it's simulated). Not the same thing. Even...

  2. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Human biology is not a subjective position. There is a specific way the nervous system works, and the time required to assess, process and respond to visual stimuli. You cannot possibly aim or drive properly at 30fps. The industry has been in on that for decades. Don't try to push 30fps as...

  3. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    We've been over that. Although you do have a point, I mean I've been here during all this time and I know what happened, things are now different. We are ever reaching a point of diminishing returns. 8GBs are good enough for a majority of applications. GPU power isn't. 8GBs will be good enough...

  4. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    I like to appreciate stuff, as I see them too. I wouldn't say they are idiots though. UE5 is a different kind of beast. There's a finer quality in it. UE4 was good for its time, but we must move forward. I can bet you, that UE5 is more efficient. It also has new techs, like directstorage...

  5. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Finally, someone that appreciates me around here! *sigh* and I thought this going well. Look, I am defending my point of view, with graphs, vids and own tests some times. You don't accept it, fine. I am not doing anything "on purpose".

  6. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Yes I know the expression. We say it my country too. It's global I think. However, all these singling outs, you know what they do? Each one is a tree. And you know what many trees make? A forest. It's not me doing the singling out, it's people posting exorbitant tests. The 4060ti is just one...

  7. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    It's much heavier but prettier. The returns or diminishing returns, can be disputed of course. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  8. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Yes, absolutely, 60fps is a must for anything that has vivid movement on the x and y axis. Which is, I don't know, 95% of games. Look, we had per pixel scrolling back in the amiga days. We had 60fps gaming back in the Dreamcast days. We had 60fps gaming back in the 3dfx days. We are not going to...

  9. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    I don't know? Do some research maybe? See some youtube videos? Ask Psolord? xD

  10. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    I do not mean the difference in visual quality per se. I mean the difference in performance. The 1070 cannot do what the 3060ti can do, not even close. And they both have the same buffer. The 1070 still does a good job, besides its age. We have reached a point, that the vram requirements of...

  11. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    You posted the answer, in your own post. I marked it for you. 4k+RT, lol. Why are you asking? Because the 4060ti 8GB is a very strong, the strongest, 1080p card out there. It's not the card's fault if you try to use it wrong. The 4070ti is borderline a 1440p card, let alone the 4060ti at 4k...

  12. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    This is the most interesting thread I have seen in years. I want it to stay alive. I may fight here, but the technical aspects are through the roof. Also I want to see the error of my ways, in coming years. Meaning, I want to see that vram is more important than gpu power, in each card's...

  13. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    So in other words, what is the conclusion? That you are going to use correct settings anyway. Isn't that what I am saying all along and you are mocking? Tell us please, in order to reach that 120fps, what did these settings do, to your vram usage and what did they do to your gpu power? btw...

  14. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    OMG that's what I am saying. They are priced according to their performance and not their vram, because the latter is mostly irrelevant for their tier.

  15. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Vram alone aint gonna future proof you my friend. See all the 3060 12GB example above. The sooner people realize that, the better. In older times I would have said nothing. These are new waters we are navigating though... Thanks for the vote of confidence! It happens when people have a...

  16. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Oh and something else, very very interesting. Gamegpu tested a tech demo, on both UE4 and UE5. I mean who does that? These guys are epic (pun intended) https://gamegpu.tech/test-video-cards/industrial-factory-tech-demo-pc-performance-benchmarks-for-graphics-cards-and-processors Here is the...

  17. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Oh wow. When you see lesser performance on some test with exorbitant settings on 8GB cards, even if they are within acceptable playability boundaries, you are all grabbing the pitchforks. Now all of a sudden, 30fps is absolutely playable? On an action game that has extreme x+z axis movement? And...

  18. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    See? At least you guys know I am alive! xD This is an interesting thread non the less. I said, I'm here for the tech (mostly).

  19. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    No need to print it and send it to me. I'd love all cards to be way cheaper, but I am a realist. What I should print and send to you however, is that I have told you a hundred times already, that I have THREE 8GB cards and they are nothing alike. For me, their value is exactly where it should...

  20. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    You can see gamegpu's results above. The 3060 is beating the 3060ti at 4k. So what? It's still unplayable. No one would get a 3060ti or a 3060 for 4k. These are academic at best. Look at the 1440p results. The 3060 is still below 60fps. The 3060ti goes up to 72fps. Therefore enabling the...

  21. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    This is 3 year old news. Gamegpu had also shown that. I am not impressed. Why am I not impressed? Because you are showing 4k results for 8GB cards, again. And once more, you (not you specifically-rather the narrative of this thread which many are using repeatedly) are leaving out perfectly...

  22. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Unreal Engine has the biggest gravitational pull, of all engines and dictates where things will go. We've talked about other engines too, Igor. All games that truly pushed graphical boundaries, were mostly gpu power limited and not vram limited. Alan Wake 2 (no rt), Starfield, Avatar, no vram...

  23. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    I am just showing you, how to hold it right, while having fun with my hobby. I've been doing this for a loooong time, way before this thread even existed. I have been registered in AT since 2009. Did you ever see me fighting with anyone, intel vs amd vs nvidia, which is the favorite past time...

  24. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    If you need data points I can give you data points. UE5 data points, that are the future. These are 1080p. Bellwright: -is unplayable on anything below a 6950xt with fafo settings. -the 4060ti 8gb is faster than the 6800s again, while it is more than twice as fast compared to the slowest...

  25. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    New useless data point you mean. The 4060 is not a 1440p card. If anyone got a 4060 for 1440p, yeah good luck with that. Also it is generally faster than the 1080ti at 1080p, but with worse minimums. Which as I have said quite a few times already, these will go away if you use the high preset...

  26. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    How can some one reach these conclusions with a straight face is beyond me. Have you seen the Hogwarts results at 1080p ultra+rt sir? It cannot hold a steady 1080p/60/rt on anything below a 4070ti with a 11900k. Are you kidding me? You need a 1.5k PC for borderline 1080p Ultra+RT and you...

  27. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Older cards being usable even today, is only ONE of my arguments. I am only using them, to show that with correct settings, gaming can still be enjoyable. What this thread is doing, is the exact opposite. Time and again, there have been results shown with utter ridiculous settings, on cards...

  28. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    ^+^^ Yeah I know. All that is mentioned in gamegpu where I got the above screenshot, remember? I also have already done my tests. Runs fine on a GTX 970 with correct settings, without being butt ugly. I am just showing "the grand scheme of things" I keep telling you about. PC gaming is a huge...

  29. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    It's not Groundhog's Day when new stuff comes out, problem free. Case in point, Manor Lords. Playable on everything and the 4060ti is again beating many cards with higher vram. Even twice as that. Sure it is a light game, but the fact of the matter is, that one million people got it, day...

  30. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    That's what I am saying too. Some settings affect more than others, sure. Textures certainly are not bad one tier down. I mean, I keep testing my older cards, with two tiers down settings and they are still decent. That is my main beef with this thread. People take examples with stretched...

  31. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Ps Just gave a look on Ghostwire Tokyo. Yeah, borderline playable on a 4070ti at 4k and that, without even RT. Vram? Not an issue. And you guys are worried about the 8gb of the 4060ti? xD

  32. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    I see what you are doing here, but it's not the same thing. I have explained why, numerous times. Pixel counts on our screens are finite. The end picture we see, is a factor of many things. Textures are one of them. Yes they are important. People here insist on missing textures examples. The...

  33. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    It is not a problem, because the main premise of this thread, is that vram will hinder the gaming experience. In regards to the correct settings I am always talking about, which directly correlate with image quality, I want to see what kind of disaster a lesser vram equiped is heading to if I...

  34. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Side note, here are screens from Harold Halibut. Pretty unique and pretty demanding. Easy to fly under the radar. These are some screens from a 4070ti, 4k, dlss quality (1440p essentially), ultra preset. The vram is sleeping, the card is screaming. Just an example of gpu power to vram ratio...

  35. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    In a scenario like the one described here, more memory could help, sure. I am not buying more vram to alleviate a devs incompetence though. If we are talking about incompetence and not a real existing problem that is. I said it before, in *some* games, there will be a difference. Very few and...

  36. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    In another 15 minutes you will have moved to a whole new area. If the dev cannot clear his buffers properly it's on the dev.

  37. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    This is a non issue. The high quality preset is absolutely fine and it reduces the vram requirements by 1.3GBs. Still I had no issues whenever I played on my 3060ti. 1080p ultra 1080p ultra with high textures

  38. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Oh my god are you for real? We now have to do 30minute runs, to show that a card doesn't have a problem? There's no winning with you guys, lol. I said it before and I will said it again, if this happens, it's a memory leak and IT'S ON THE DEV. I have played Halo Infinite for lengthy periods...

  39. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Also our friends at gamegpu, tested the Fallout 4 next gen update. Yeah that 3060 12GB is last and slower than all 8GB cards this time. I know it's an old engine and doesn't say much, but still....it gives a perspective of the available gpu processing power. Here, I'm putting it in spoiler...

  40. 8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

    Where is this from? I have three runs of Halo Infinite on my channel (non monetized) https://www.youtube.com/@toutagamon/search?query=halo%20infinite All on the freagin 2500k which means pcie 2.0 8b/10b encoding, which means zero reliance on the base sub systems. No help from fast pcie or...
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