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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    Yup I think it's pretty clear that Ada's caches allow it to get away with way lower Vram bandwidth than RDNA3 can.. But I sure don't know how one realistically gets 12gb N32 without cutting an MCD 😉
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    So since you do use Computerbase as a reference .. Where's this 7800XT that performs like a 4070 at 4070 power draw again? Because AMD more or less made a 12GB 7800XT in the 7700XT and that sure ain't it..
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    260-270w power consumption is pretty poor for N32 when N21/6800XT on last gen process is similar performing at 300-310w, and the original RTX 3080, an arguably faster card if including RT, is c. 330-340w and was criticized for power consumption at launch. 20-25% better efficiency than a gpu...
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    If we just change the conceit and give up on it being a "small case" then sure, that case wouldn't fit where I put my build now and is around double the volume...
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    That case requires an ITX board which in itself is a significant premium especially outside US.. Take it from experience building a SFF PC, there are a vanishingly small set of MATX SFF cases which fit 3-fan GPUs...
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    Have we already forgotten how hard electricity bills spiked in much of Europe last year?
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    Did you look at the graph and actually understood what I said? The RTX 3070, a Nvidia Ampere SKU is definitely holding its own in efficiency against the 7700XT, an AMD RNDA3 SKU, if you disagree with the results here then take it up with Computerbase, because that's what their testing is showing.
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    Very far out the efficiency curve it seems: Forget the Ada series, if a year ago anyone on this forum even dare speculate that any RDNA 3 SKU would have worse efficiency than a Nvidia Ampere SKU they would have gotten laughed at/banned, yet here we are...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    HWUB was talking about the DLSS 3 implementation (it doesn't help that native framerates are trash) when my link was on the DLSS 2 implementation available on Day 1. Mods which don't work and/or aren't desired do not get 228k downloads within 4 days of launch...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    "All sources state that Navi 33 (N33) is a monolithic 6nm die that was designed to bring Navi 21 (N21) performance to midrange die sizes and BOM costs." "Navi 33 Specifications: - 1x 6nm monolithic die within 360mm-460mm2 - 128MB of infinity cache - 8GB of GDDR6 over a 128bit bus - RX 6900 XT...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    You were saying?
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    Ah, MLID, who has such a great track record that he's deleted many old videos in which he was proven egregiously wrong in hindsight. Idk whether the Digital Foundry journalist has great sources, but MLID indirectly denying it only makes those sources more credible..
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    And yet... Your response to a day 1 DLSS mod was assuming that the modder must have had access to the game before release, so which is it? Either: - Day 1 DLSS mere hours after release means it realliy isn't that hard to implement, or; - if DLSS implementation isn't so low effort, then said...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    And I am assuming in your world, modders with enough influence to get reviewers to break their NDAs with Bethesda (not an easy task given the consequences if discovered)....would turn around and release such a deeply desired mod...for free?
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    Starfield literally released today (heck anyone without the premium versions can't play it yet) and there's already a free mod adding DLSS/XESS integration here, so unless modders have time machines it indeed is something that can be done in a matter of hours..
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    My guess is that, given the long lead time between the backlash and this statement (c. 5 weeks), that the agreement (c. mid July) did have some type of exclusivity clause, which was revised when AMD realized that this was a bad look for them and Bethesda to have these clauses, which would...
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    AMD 7800 / 7700 reviews

    By that logic, every Nvidia card including and above a 4070 had a $50 discount when they came with Diablo 4 codes around 2 months ago.... And besides, Starfield was already freely available with new AMD CPUs, as well as Game Pass users for quite some time. Unless these codes are freely...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    And what would that be? 7600 is full N33 and looking at the pricing structure between 7700XT/7800XT it feels like AMD aren't going to have a lot of bad dies that need harvesting from N32..
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    Looking at clocks 7800XT somehow manages to clock lower than even the 7900XTX... That cannot be what AMD had in mind with the GCDs on N5...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    Look on the bright side, if the reference boards are only 2-fan designs then its unlikely that power consumption will be high...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    It better be more efficient running at 2.15ghz tested as opposed to 2.3ghz for 6950xt and 2.4ghz for 7900XT, something it can do given it has plenty of chip being cut down from N31. N32 is going to have 75% of the CUs and half (?) the ROPs so it's going to need to clock significantly faster (I...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    To say that AMD is blameless in this would be untrue, when they have had a track record of saying statements that blew up in their faces. Case in point, AMD themselves recommends a 800-850w PSU for 7900XTX (their website states it now) and were explicitly marketing that users can get away with...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    How is a 7800XT that launches at c.$550 going to have better perf/$ than a 6800XT at less than $550 with similar performance? And if you are using launch pricing to compare, then be consistent with it, RTX 3060 was a $329 card at launch and the RTX 4060 launched at cheaper pricing..
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    So now it appears that what I said 2 months ago may be the most probable outcome.. AMD's GPU team are really far behind NV's this generation....
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    After the whole debacle with RDNA3 hype train, subsequent derailment and commentators backtracking on what they said *ahem*: You are a heck more optimistic person than I am...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    Yeah and If we kick the goal posts around like that then logically speaking no architecture can ever be "bad". Might as well just say Bulldozer was a good architecture that was marred by disastrous execution at this point... Eliminate the Chinese brands that the rest of the world can't get and...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    It's been 8 months since RDNA3 first launched and with N31, N33, and Phoenix have all been remarkably disappointing offerings on the graphics side. Are we still doing this "RDNA 3.5" meme for N32? When are we going to acknowledge that just maybe, RDNA3 just isn't a good architecture and leave...
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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    We've had this debate before in this thread , if AMD believed there is significantly untapped market potential for a big APU, they would have pushed it out already. Nothing stops AMD from copying much of the work they did for the PS5/XSX chips and putting the result into market. The fact that...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    If it doesn't make sense to service that performance tier at acceptable margins to AMD? Sure AMD would leave that segment open, they happily left the <200 desktop CPU market to Intel on similar rarionale. The performance gap between N33 and N32 is likely to be so big that there's nothing there...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    That's funny, I don't recall FSR being supported on any Nvidia card older than Pascal and RTX cards launched with Turing right after. So the list of Nvidia owners that benefit from FSR but not DLSS is basically Pascal and the GTX Turing models. But sure, let's pretend that FSR supports "all"...
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    Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

    Except.. They did implement DLSS before launch (it and RT were both in early access), as per the discord convo with the developer below. But sure let's pretend DLSS is hard to implement (so difficult that Skyrim has a mod with DLSS) and that it and by extension Nvidia are at fault here...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    The $800 RTX 4070ti out performs the $1200 RTX 3080ti launched roughly 2 years earlier but there sure aren't many posts defending Nvidia's pricing. Funny how when AMD does it then it is justifiable.
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    AMD 7600 reviews

    If you're trying to argue that the R&D costs for AMD wouldn't change much even without N33 in the mix... I am not sure that's a valid argument as without N33, AMD wouldn't need to backport RDNA3 to N6, nor would they have to make monolithic RDNa3. All of which are costs borne solely from having...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    Its not a question that we can test empirically (no way to significantly downclock N31 memory or disable ROPs). But logically speaking, if AMD believed N21-esque memory/ROPs was fine for N31 performance levels to begin with (and they 99% would have simulated this config), then we'd see N31...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    They don't clock "pretty much the same" though, average game clocks for both have been tested through a variety of games: Techpowerup Computerbase 6950XT 2404mhz 2392mhz 7900XT 2692mhz 2566mhz Depending on the set of games tested that's an average of 7-11% clock speed increase right...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    That it does, but given that the 7900XT: - Clocks at 2.5-2.6ghz stock vs 2.3-ish for 6950XT - Has marginally more CUs (84 vs 80) - Has significantly more memory bandwidth (800gb/s vs 576 gb/s) - Has 50% more ROPs clocking faster (192 vs 128) What are the 7900XT improvements vs 6950XT that can't...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    If that's the case might as well plop down some money for a 6800XT while stocks last, with how N33 performs it is highly unlikely N32 will be better by much anyway.
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    AMD 7600 reviews

    Well, the RDNA3 architectural changes (namely dual FP32 and higher clocks) were supposed to be substantial by themselves. As it is now dual FP32 doesn't seem to do anything and without a significant process advantage it doesn't even seem to clock much higher on desktop than RDNA2 can.
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    AMD 7600 reviews

    It is much better than 6650XT that's for sure... But also given how in this benchmark it's still decently slower than the 6700xt in similar proportion to the raster difference I am more inclined to believe something weird happened with the 6650XT there more than that there are dramatic...
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    AMD 7600 reviews

    Can we finally stop pretending that RDNA3 architecture is not a dud? What are we seeing here that can't be replicated with an optimized 6650xt on 6nm?
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