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    FX-8370 beats i5-2500k in new games due to multithreading

    That's a real killer isn't it. You tell someone to get a 4c4t i5 back then, its not bad, but its not a great option even then because between HDET and the move to X86 on the consoles most games were getting threaded. It's sad the choice was either 4t or 8t on the general consumer end but anyone...
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    Question Is there something "special" about Intel's i7-4790k cpus?

    Its not just home users. Companies that are using certain hardware. Specially if that hardware has features that are missing today (like lets say a PCI slot or two), and are using the system in a pretty much can't come down situation have their buyers stock up on compatible hardware and getting...
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    Worst CPUs ever, now with poll!

    I didn't remember it being the widely shipped. Considering the trend of Review samples and shipping products 3-4 months later at the time I thought that number was mostly just maybe units shipped to their distributers and barely any if any at all made it to end user. ' Part of the problem was...
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    Worst CPUs ever, now with poll!

    Reading back through this, I feel as a single processor the PIII 1.13GHz CPU doesn't get enough hate. Released for over $1k. Already golden sample CPU's. Only gotten as far as to ship to like 10-15 reviewers. Was running so badly it performed like a CPU that was overclocked to far. Recalled...
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    4070TI reviews thread

    Maybe not. Though a 6950 a week or two ago would have been pretty close. But its not just about how it compares as the lowest specced of current gen releases. Lovelace is fast enough that just being the lowest price of available newer cards still makes it faster than most last gen products...
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    Question How does the Intel CPU "Ring" work?

    The ring at least on this level wouldn't be an actual ring. Also just looking at the layout is more of a hybrid, setup with dies across being as directly connected as the ones left and right (and maybe even more so). So cores in the center would have more direct connections and lower latency...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    The question will be whether AMD will allow AIB's to build for higher power limits and whether they even thought to include them considering the second rate design AMD products get until they prove their performance. If they do then the AMD reference cards will be half way decent ITX cards, but...
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    Radeon 7900 Reviews

    AMD doesn't want to get into a price war. They also don't want to be seen as the poor mans solution. Like every company they have to worry about what their stockholders think. That said AMD's pricing is more fluid then Nvidia and Intel. Once they start to flesh out the lineup and Nvidia does the...
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    Not only a mix, but by splitting them up overall yields go up. I was worried about bandwidth on the IF connects and latency. But in the end even if they affected performance they seemed to get a pretty good balance out it.
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    Question Picking the right 13gen chip

    Yeah at that price difference find a Intel A380, get quicksync and AV1 encode/decode support, as a secondary card or something like that.
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    It's not something we have run into often. Back with the OG Phenom launch there was certainly a bug that kept the clock speeds capped. They had to respin and relaunched as the Phenom II very shortly after. But that was because AMD was barely competitive without the projected clocks. Intel, you...
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    Question OEM Video Cards... Bad?

    In this case OEM means parts found in OEM computers. So the big, big box computers. Dell, HP, Acer, and so on. Dell ones have always been under cooled, using very cheap materials for the shell. Perfect example do a search for Alienware 3080 on google and select images. The closest in build you...
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    Question Picking the right 13gen chip

    My only advice would be don't try to save $20 or so on a KF. An Igpu is a life save when troubleshooting issues, something I have missed on the Ryzen's I have been getting for a bit. Also Quicksync is worth it on its own. If you want to save money get a B class instead of Z class MB if you...
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    News Intel GPUs - Battlemage rumoured cancelled (again)

    I get to some degree of supporting the idea of a third company doing video cards we need that. I have always been a proponent that if its close by AMD on CPU and GPU. I say that as someone who skipped over BD completely (last AMD CPU before my 1700 was a Llano APU). It has to be realistically...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Or solutions that might work better are cost prohibitive to include in a volume solution. Keep in mind Intel went thermal paste for a long time to reduce costs. AMD improved their solder solution, tightened the heat spreader. Eventually what we can do, isn't a reasonable solution for a...
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    Discussion AMD raytracing - will it ever improve or even beat RTX?

    Or you know they might have been a stake holder in development of the technology since they tend to like to work with Standards companies for implementing their technologies.
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    Discussion AMD raytracing - will it ever improve or even beat RTX?

    Yeah I think that the part people have a hard time wrapping their heads around. AMD has done a lot of Anti-consumer, for the stock holders moves in their lives. They become more consumer friendly when they are desperate for business. Even at their worse they are only borderline terrible (locked...
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    Discussion AMD raytracing - will it ever improve or even beat RTX?

    Yeah for some reason I remembered Havok being company that created PhysX. But you were right it was Ageia (least that is what wikipedia is telling me). But yeah PhysX was purchased to take advantage of low level compute, they got Cuda adopted, decide they didn't need a killer app for the spare...
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    Discussion AMD raytracing - will it ever improve or even beat RTX?

    Like any hardware when the technology is first launched nothing has the horsepower to really do anything with it. Eventually it will be worth it, proper light effects are going to be the next big thing in adding realism to games. But as it is now and probably for the next 10 years (assume 5 to...
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    Poor time to build new system?

    Biggest problem is DDR5. I doubt Raptor lake is going to be a great replacement for Alderlake, no socket compatible upgrade from Intel ever has been. So you do have Alderlake as a very fast and affordable system with DDR4 if you wanted (I would want). Or if its just absolutely only games, you...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    I think that makes assumptions about the manufacturing process that may or may not be the case. It's entirely possible that AMD has to make decisions on manufacturing before knowing the status of the cache. It may be why AMD didn't do one of their two die chips as part of the project. It could...
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    Question [Idea] Ryzen Black Edition - 3D V-cache for Zen4?

    Same for me. Didn't have a passable replacement and when the VII was worth the most it was also a question if you could get another card, let alone pay an arm and leg extra anyways for real upgrade. Maybe a 3070, but no matter how valuable the VII was paying 1200+ for a 3070 was something I...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    Maybe not. Do we know what the cache structure of Zen 4. The 12 and 16 core 5900 and 5950 respectively already come pretty close to the 5800x3D cache size. Will a dual ccd Zen4 CPU exceed the cache of the 5800x3d.
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    There is a weird balance there isn't it. If all you care about is gaming. It's $450 vs. $600 and $900 and is basically there in anything that doesn't run at insane FPS anyways (CSgo). There are a bunch of reasons to get a 12700k, 12900k, 5900x, or even a vanilla 5800x over it. I personally...
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    Question I am losing CPU performance in Benchmarks and i need to restart to full points of CPU performance in Benchmarks.

    Would like to be useful here. But realistically you are using a computer, a computer made for more than running benchmarks. Besides the lack of need to be constantly benchmarking it post first log in, and thing with even the slightest memory leak or anything that does any kind of polling (even...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    I don't think it's the ceiling but the floor. That the chips, all of them are rated to be able to run at those limits in those configurations. But it doesn't mean you can't run with more ranks/dimms at higher speeds. Edit: The major issue is going back to first and second gen (specially first)...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    Well they also suffer from much more limited production than Intel. It was one thing when they had nearly no market share and were struggling to sell there production. But they can't compete with Intel on high volume low margin, without turning a significant amount of their wafer allotment to...
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    Question Did Intel mess up on marketing names?

    Its them inversing on the problems the old more straight forward naming allowed. Specially as Bulldozer came out a "speed" name would allow AMD to use their clock speeds to drive the uninformed. So they made sure they had the fastest stuff when reviews went out and gave their CPU's more...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    That's why I mentioned first and second wave 300 series. X370 and B350 launches were pretty early. The 320 and 300 releases being later. While many bad vrm and layering choices where made with those. But that's my point. $300 boards with no overclocking. Bios updates that killed $500 boards...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    While some of the Zeppelin issues with memory were on the licensed controllers they used for Zen and Zen+ and silicon lottery. Most of the issues with first gen Ryzen was down to all the mobo makers half butting their first wave or two of boards. I think I posted here that one even suggested it...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    It's not that fluid and you just need to look at the 5700U and 5500u to realize they don't even always follow their own playbook. But the move to straighten level out the APU model name was the flack they took with the 3k APU's and laptop chips having a much slower Zen+ core than the 3k desktop...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I just don't see it. They caught a lot of flack for model number not really reflecting generation. I can understand why they did what they did for the 5700u and 5500u, but I doubt they push that boundary much more than that. Though it will be more acceptable if they don't have a desktop version...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I thought Zen 3+ was less of slight process difference (like Zen+) and just clock speed refresh? If so couldn't it just be that they are going to use Zen3d for the refresh? I mean its a product line with only 6 shipping and only 4 public products. There is a lot of assumptions that the 5600x and...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    Only if you assume that this past reason is the only reason AMD would have either a software or hardware compatibility with a board. I wouldn't assume its the case.
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    That is exactly the point at some points they would need to change the platform. The move to DDR4. Almost everything else was not driven by CPU features and could probably could have used the same socket completely (with them claiming power requirements for the post Kaby-lake changes). They...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    Pretty much. AMD released a new platform with new functions and performance envelopes, like all companies AMD wants to make sure their products are used in their performative setting and without surprises that even if not their fault they don't have their rep tarnished by another party (whether...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    Yeah I think the big issue is we don't fully understand the process. How the wafer orders are made, how they get split up at the lab, how they are getting packaged onto the substrate. It could be difficult as they ask for X wafers for Genoa production, all working chips get installed on Genoa...
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    Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

    AMD learned some hard lessons with AM4. We think of Retail purchases as a large source of income. But realistically OEM sales drives sales and profitability. AM4 was a compromised socket driven completely by OEM demands. They wanted a single platform for APU's and Desktop chips, they wanted...
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    Question Looking for Kb's with these features:

    There isn't any thing that fits all of that. Dedicated media and volume knobs (outside a handful of boards) ends up being a full size off the shelf selection. Same for Wireless. So Brown switch selection. That makes it harder. For example a Blackwidow V3 Pro, gives you a knob, media...
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    One keyboard to rule them all....

    Laser printing is just as bad for "dissolving" letters as printed. Need Dye Sub or Dualshot keycaps. Something there the either the letter or the paint around it isn't surface layer and prone to coming off with rubbing and hand oils.
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