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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    Third world is all about AM4 APUs, the 4600G and the 5600G in particular are very popular. Followed by the 5700G... I3s are very unpopular, people buying the Intel brand generally go for I5 or I7s. In fact AMD is now dealing with a little know screw up with the 4600Gs all over LA, we are...
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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    I was discussing the exact same thing with my boss today, AMD reps are pushing for this and for once he was the first to point me to the 8500G, when you can sell 8500G with and whiout DGPU, whats the point in a 8400F at a marginal discount? Not to mention there is the 7600 with all pcie lanes.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    They probably given up on mali drivers.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Not sure what your point is, yes it is 2 generations behind, but it is still last year product and it will be used for future socs, its not EOL in any way shape or form.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Mali G610 is 3rd gen Valhall intended for high-end, first launched in a SoC in 2023. The MC4/MP4 version on the RK3588 is not the best one as the best one is the MP6/MC6. But still. 4th and 5th gen Valhall is not widely used really. Hell, i expect 3rd gen to gain market in 2024 and 2025 due to...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    As you can see there, things arent looking too good for Mali.
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    It is an AI SoC, this is not going to be anywhere near the consummer market. That said its interesting of what im seeing here, 8xA78AE cores and... Mali G78AE? If they already playing around with that they could launch a consumer soc based on the consumer version of that.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    The best we will be able to get in SBC format will likely come out of Rockchip, as Amlogic seems to be too happy with just the TVBox market(S905X5 is A510/Mali 310), AllWinner is slowly switching to RISC-V, they have a dual A78 coming up, but with an Imagination GPU. Qualcomm does not seem to be...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    It would be too expensive, an RK3588S goes from something like $80-$110 with 8GB of ram, the RK3588 around $100-$250, depending on ram. In fact Radxa is the second one to come up with more or less sane prices on their new 5C SBC, first one was OrangePI. An 8G3 and D9400 with 16GB of ram (8gb is...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Too bad that the Mali G610MP4 is nothing to write home about, it is faster than RPI5 and Intel UHD600 (Jasper Lake) and thats about it. I dont think it is faster than what the N100 has or a Vega 3. Not to mention Mendocino IGP.
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    X86 is just AMD and Intel... You really want to have one thread per ARM SoC or company?
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    We just need ONE ARM thread and be done with it, just like with RISC.
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    Discussion RISC V Latest Developments Discussion [No Politics]

    yeah hard to get exited for A72 performance in 2025.
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    Thats exactly what im saying, Zen5C will be too fast for the job, on this sector you dont need that much CPU power. If a quad Zen5C can get anywhere near a "quad" PHX in cpu performance then it is too fast. Competition around that area will be mainly 4x/x6, A78, x4 A710/A715 or x2/x4 ADL-N(or...
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    As i said i dont think Zen5C cores is what AMD should use when trying to make something to compite with ADL-N successors and future WOA socs, its too much. They need to go lower power/heat than that and i just dont think they are going to develop a new small core. The error here is to think that...
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    Question Intel Mont thread

    ADL-N will get smacked by A78 cores very soon, if Intel delays it will be BayTrail all over again. But they dont care much as WOA is no where near to be a threat to their small cores, yet, and that will take at least one more year, or two. They do care about the low power server, so what they...
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    Its not just that i had (and i still have somewhere at work) old AMD ITX boards and laptops and their small cores were just bad. Something like the E2-3800 using i think double the power (or more) than a J4105, when intel launched Baytrail they placed socs into tablets with regular battery sizes...
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    Its the closer thing they have, they just completely lost the low power market to Intel small cores after Baytrail as they could never make their cores low power enoght.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Looks like we have the first A78 SBC Too bad it is kind of a bad option with the Mali G57 and no PCIE on the board.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Is that even possible? ARM was power efficient because that was its focus. But the second you start focusing on performance and +3ghz chips it looks to me the power efficiency goes out the window.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Considering ARM paid Mesa devs to make the new linux driver for Valhall, im not sure if ARM has any driver devs anymore at this point. I heard about Mediatek trying to do it on their own, but thats wishfull thinking. A WOA gpu driver that can support gaming would need constant development and...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Qualcomm was been doing WOA for a while so yes. Samsung as people pointed out, AMD might have not licensed the RDNA IP for use in WOA, so they will need to use Mali and good luck getting ARM to make a driver for it. NV could, its a matter of if they want to stop being extremly greedy, at least...
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    Discussion AMD's Future APU Gone ARM?

    In my mind in the only market that markes sense is in the SBC, network soft routers, low power servers, low end mobile and ultramobile, AMD always failed very badly with their own low power x86 models, right now they only have Mendocino for that and once again looks like a failure. If they are...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Drivers, samsung is using rdna gpus witch i guess AMD can easily provide WOA drivers for, but everyone else dosent have that luxury.
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    Question Here's how dog slow proper x86 CPU emulation is

    pcem is old news at this point, 86box is a fork of pcem.
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    Massive security hole in CPU's incoming?Official Meltdown/Spectre Discussion Thread

    I dont want to put an aluminium foil hat, but im starting to think these vulnerabilities are intentional.
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    Discussion The RK3588 thread

    In a way yeah, here Rockchip is just selling untested hardware that may or may not work, on top of dumping hardware with failures on it. And honestely its not too bad really, the A76 cores in the $30-$35 area is new. The RK3582 will be great for routers/ap/nas/jellyfin boxes (if you got a full...
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    Discussion The RK3588 thread

    Radxa is launching two versions of the 5C one with the RK3582 and other with the RK3588S2 https://forum.radxa.com/t/announcing-the-rock-5c-power-performance-and-versatility-for-just-30/20429 It looks like with the RK3582 Rockchip is selling lootboxes
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    Question Here's how dog slow proper x86 CPU emulation is

    The problem is that A76 is currently the best thing avalible in SBC format, i think Allwinner will be the first one in SBC with a 2xA78/6xA55 but would not touch that with a stick. Not to mention its not going to be faster than quads a76. But the 3588 is petty decent actually, ive been using it...
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    Discussion nVidia's ARM SoC Coming Back?

    I didnt made any videos of that but i actually have Windows 11 installed on the NVME and Linux on the SD card, when i want to run linux i put the sd card in, otherwise it boots Windows. Most of the problems come from the lack of drivers and a community made UEFI rather than a hardware...
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    Discussion nVidia's ARM SoC Coming Back?

    On the higher side of the value/budget SKU, probably on the lower side of mainstream(for example i would like it to see it vs the quad Phoenix 2), it would depend on a few things, but a octa A78 is a lot of cpu power, they can probably make half of a T239 and still put it against ADL-N. 8xA78 is...
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    Discussion nVidia's ARM SoC Coming Back?

    Better than ADL-N with a fast IGP, whats wrong with that?
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    Discussion nVidia's ARM SoC Coming Back?

    What im sure is that neither AMD or Nvidia will want to use the ARM arch to target a SteamDeck-like device, translation speed is just not good enoght. But i do think AMD may replace Mendocino in 2025 with a ARM SoC, maybe try their luck with an ARM soc as they always failed at that market with...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    Getting to the "igp" wall is already good enoght to get a good portion of the market, the next Malis can probably rival RDNA2/3 IGP on the bigger configurations, just do a quick search to see how many systems are sold with less than that. Its more of a matter of who is going to put the money to...
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    Question Here's how dog slow proper x86 CPU emulation is

    You are sure this is correct? i think some info is out of date, i was able to run a K6-2 450mhz and a Pentium 3 400mhz on my 5800X with 86box. or it was with pcem? i dont remember. You can run 86box in ARM Linux, they even provide you with the prebuild bins, but this is full x86 emulation...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    24.1.1 But keep in mind that Vega and Polaris now are on the legacy branch, so currently there are two 24.1.1 drivers, one for RDNA gpus and other for Polaris-Vega.
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    It has 12 Zen 6 cores acording to that. If i had to guess acording to what it is showed there, the IGP chiplet of medusa includes 4xZen 6E cores, what it could be still be true for Strix Halo. Strix Point is rumored to have a 12C cpu chiplet, if Strix Halo has the same cpu chiplet, it could be...
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    They would have not switched ISA for fun, thats clear. But Nvidia was not trying to buy ARM for fun either, they were trying to secure an arch for their future processors.
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    Discussion Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion

    If Nvidia would have brought ARM, people would have tried to jump ship to RISCV ASAP. And ARM would have become like x86. At least for future IPs. Even MIPS would have had a chance of coming back to life. Ill say that Nvidia was the responsible of the sudden peak of interest in RISC-V, or at...
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