Process-wise, M2 should be on TSMC 3nm which should bring power improvements, Zen 4 will also move to TSMC 5nm which will help as well. The outlier is Raptor Lake still on Intel 7.
1) Single threaded performance - Intel, with the architectural improvements in Raptor Lake and their willingness...
very strange that the scaling from Pro to Max is not 2x given the increase in memory bandwidth and cores, we need to see more benchmarks to see what's going on.
@BorisTheBlade82 it's alright, there are a lot of people still in denial. still looking for reasons to be unimpressed by Apple's chips saying it's not an Apples to apples comparison because of process node. When the others get to 5nm (or Intel's 4?) we can finally do a "real" comparison right?
It seems like they didn't improve the P-cores at all, but improved MT either by improving the E-cores or by improving multi-threaded efficiency (potentially the doubled system level cache).
My guess is that there's so much work to do on the new Mac chips that they decided to focus on that...
This is something I've been wondering about, but the design of the current Mac Pro (and any other desktop honestly) is the antithesis of what the M1 is. The Mac Pro is highly modular with user replaceable RAM, storage, graphics, accelerator cards. The M1 essentially takes all of that minus the...
Most likely still TSMC 5nm given the size of the chips, I don't expect they would try a new node with these chips. Memory could be LPDDR4x again with additional channels for addressing more memory, but they could surprise us with LPDDR5.
Regarding the "Chop" having only 16 GPU cores, the GPU seems like it will make up a significant amount of die space of the new chip. Going by M1 die shots, the 8-core GPU takes up ~25% of the space? In a theoretical Jade C a 32 core GPU would be as big as the M1. The rest of the components would...
They could make the low end one a Mac nano considering the amount of unused space left in that enclosure :p
I think they could even fit everything in an Apple TV 4K sized box if they wanted to, basically out-NUC Intel's NUC.
The current Mac Pro supports 1.5TB of RAM, I don't see them reducing that amount in a new Mac Pro. The Jade 2C and 4C probably have a different memory controller that allow for much more memory and ECC.
I'm not talking about the ergonomics of the keyboard, I have a Logitech K380 which works great. All I'm saying is that the combination of iPad with keyboard and trackpad is still a subpar productivity experience relative to a Mac laptop, regardless of the type of keyboard and size of keyboard...
No way... a Mac is way more capable than an iPad. I have a 5th gen iPad with bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and it's just not comparable. The flexibility you get with macOS is leagues beyond what iPadOS offers. Multitasking is still hit or miss on iPad in terms of managing apps, support for more...
this hasn’t been an issue for a while. this was a problem in earlier iPhones due to a combination of OS updates and battery degradation (from experience, iphone 5s and iphone 6 were both badly affected). my iPhone 8 plus is still running great 3 years on and my iPad 2017 is also doing well even...
unless you have actual inside sources that know what’s going on, it’s all conjecture. it’s a nice “story” but let’s wait until we have actual numbers first.
my main issue with your arguments is that you assume people don’t care about any of the improvements that could be made with this transition and essentially dismiss them as things that could increase adoption of the Mac ecosystem. obviously we don’t know what these benefits could be, but it’s...
the point others are making is not that the switch to ARM will make people jump on the Mac bandwagon, it’s that it could result in having a significantly better product, therefore more people buy Macs as a result.
for example, if a Mac runs all the applications you need twice as fast with...
It's really the GPU number that throws me off at 8.3%, CPU is fine at 16%. Scaling GPU with more transistors is straightforward, but it seems like they didn't do that this time and this was just an iterative improvement and keeps the overall 4-core design from A13 with potentially higher clocks...
For CPU, it makes sense if they're talking about single core performance. A11 allowed all cores to operate at the same time which greatly improved multi-threaded workloads, but single-threaded the jump was ~40%.
For GPU, I have no idea where they got that, the jump from A10 to A12 is like 60%.
I would generally agree with you, but the machine learning performance just doesn't make sense to me, (11-5)/5 = 120% performance improvement vs A12 Bionic. These are both hard numbers that Apple gave us and are easily compared, unlike CPU performance which can depend on the application.
If...
These claims are interesting, in the event they said the CPU 40% number was compared to the last generation iPad Air which ran the A12 Bionic, I have no trouble with this since it's in line with what we expect. What I'm struggling with is the 30% faster graphics claim. If it really only has 30%...
It seems like you're referring to how the base MacBook Air has two cores and the base iMac with HDD is just a terrible value. I don't disagree, the base products are a terrible value and I would never buy them. If you thought I was talking about other product attributes as a way to justify the...
they ain’t perfect, their recent macbooks actually have many flaws. which is why i haven’t purchased a new mac since 2009. their butterfly keyboards sucked, their thermals suck, their cooling solution for the current Air is a joke, their upgrade pricing sucks, their lack of repairability and...
a lot more is $100, which is acceptable for the upgrade IMO.
this is the age old Mac vs. PC debate, i think you should just give up here, you are listing base specs and while those are important, it's really not what the Mac is about. You're not looking at the small details that Apple spends a...
i think the reason is differentiation. controlling wifi, bt, cellular chips don’t allow them to differentiate. those are table stakes, every phone has it and they’re all about the same. CPU and GPU + other dedicated hardware like NPU is where the special sauce lives.
Since you obviously don’t know anything about Apple, I have some news for you. they have been a hardware company since 1976. they may not have designed their own chips, but they’re through and through a hardware company. I don’t have insight into the inner workings of Apple, but my guess is the...
This statement is very telling of your perspective. The whole point of this transition is to enable more hardware and software innovation in the long-term. The reason Apple is so successful is that they marry hardware and software in a seamless fashion that is functional and intuitive. Hardware...
You’d be wrong about your first statement, but I guess that isn’t surprising given your posts.
Well, if you want to be technical about it, you can easily build and distribute applications on a mac without using the App Store. So you’re not locked in on that front, you should know that as a...
what a load. you don’t have to release your app on the iOS app store, you choose to because the market dictates that it’s good business sense. I don’t like to do tedious things, but if I get paid then it doesn’t suck as much. Let’s be honest here, if you dislike Xcode, you’ve probably never...
my bad, re-write and re-compile. happy now? either way, most apps don’t need a ton of rewriting. they realistically have 2-3 years, the only hard deadline they have is when Rosetta 2 is no longer supported. They’ll have an incentive to make their apps run well on new Macs because they have...
haha what is this post? just a bunch of garbage. if you don’t like Apple software, there are plenty of alternatives, nobody is forcing you to use it. for the vast majority of apps, Rosetta will be good enough during the transition and should give them plenty of time to re-compile for the new...
Yeah, it’s a complicated comparison because the pricing model is so different between the two product lines. For example, I was referring to the base 11” iPad Pro which is $799 USD versus the $999 MacBook Air (granted, the $999 12.9 Pro might be a better comparison given the screen size). To...
i think Apple is going to be more ambitious with these chips. It would be sad if a MacBook Air with their own processors were weaker than a cheaper iPad Pro.
my guess is their notebook lineup might look like:
A14X (4+4): MacBook/MacBook Air
A14? (8+4): 13" MacBook Pro
A14? (12?+4+enhanced GPU)...
i think a fanless 12” Macbook or 13” Macbook air is definitely in the cards. Just throw in a 4+4 A14X and it’ll already be much faster than the current Macbook Air.
An 8+4 13” Macbook pro would probably be my ideal machine in terms of performance and size. Finally time to say goodbye to Intel’s...
hopefully they find a good balance between performance, battery life, and size. honestly the current size of their notebooks are already great, so i would leave that as is. increased performance + increased battery life would be very welcome.
You’re right in saying that yields are the major factor in release timing, but that doesn’t change the fact that they design the core for low power usage first, then scale up to high power designs. This is the why the entire industry is focused on PPW, if you can nail that, you get great battery...
I don’t think this is really the case. Intel and AMD also design a single core and scale up. Why do you think Intel releases their low power chips before they release desktop chips, and Intel’s server chips lag one to two years behind desktop chips. At its core, Intel’s server chips are their...
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