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  1. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    The difference between heckling and accurate assertions backed by industry standard information : https://www.lanl.gov/conferences/salishan/salishan2011/3moore.pdf Frequency and Single-threaded performance .... The focus of processors for decades hits a fundamental wall... The focus shifts to...

  2. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    My stance and reply won't change because the post I was responding to hasn't. The assertion of a 20Ghz single core monster was presented and I pointed out the absurdity. If you want to change the topic of discussion feel free. However, I already addressed that too regarding my statements about...

  3. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    People and their idols... Take a look around at modern society. Celebrity worship was a thing and then it went broad based with e-celeb. People live vicariously through others, hold opinions through others, feel empowered through others, and hold a jumble of other illogical conclusions through...

  4. News 2990WX Threadripper Performance Regression FIXED (for certain workloads) on Windows*

    Winblows strikes again. Obvious is obvious.

  5. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Exactly. It's essentially a well served market with a product for everyone. Thus there being no need for rants about performance in 2019. Given that it's a market and there is no one size fits all, a company has to decide as to what segments they'll target. In this comes the distinctions...

  6. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    A lot can be achieved in the clock cycles it takes for a context switch. Relative to clock cycles, you face the same fundamental issue no matter the clock speed. One operation takes far more clock cycles than many others. Responsiveness in a multi-processor environment which I have already...

  7. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    The user stated quite clear that's what they're referring to and several users beyond myself replied as such. I suggest you re-read what kicked this off and stop for a minute and consider the absurdity of even mentioning a 20GHz processor. Furthermore, when a user makes comments that reflect...

  8. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Context .. Context .. Context switch. My informative post was in reply to a user who ranted about a 20Ghz single core processor while ignoring (OS 101) in which there are context switches, hardware interrupts, cache flushes, and a slew of other things that would bring it to its knees. Your 20Ghz...

  9. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Sure you can user more clocks but at what cost? My point was about desktop (namely vidya gamers) ranting and raving about ST performance as if its the end-all-be all for computing. Who else complains about 'ST performance' on this forum besides this group? My point about the pro-market was that...

  10. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    ^Thank you ! No need to reply to anyone else. Exactly correct ! Someone gets it although a small minority. It's like they never heard of interrupt routines that handle I/O and carefully ignored how many processes/threads they can confirm are running in task manager in a modern OS. UI's are...

  11. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Yes, I remember covering this sophomore year in computer engineering 101. Modern processors, operating systems, memory technology, and algorithms when all mixed together goes far and beyond Amdahl's laws. What about someone with 100 browser tabs open while gaming while streaming? What does...

  12. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    When you get a chance, go to your task manager and copy/paste how many processes and threads are running purely at idle. Multi-core is a standard. UI was sped up due to multi-core processors not single-threaded clocks. All modern OS kernels are multi-threaded. The boost comes from this. I...

  13. [ H ]: BF5 Raytracing VRAM easily exceeds 6GB

    Turd card for turd games... https://games.slashdot.org/story/19/01/13/2017234/battlefield-5s-poor-sales-numbers-have-become-a-disaster-for-electronic-arts The comments section is gold ! Electronic Arts has mismanaged the Battlefield franchise in the past -- BF3 and BF4 were not great from a...

  14. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Indeed, the game changer is the inter-connect. That I/O chip is where all the action is now. The long term goal of AMD has been HSA. The universal interconnect with widespread industry buy-in is what makes this possible. They've been laying the ground work for a progression to a universal fabric...

  15. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    AMD took a page out of the Network Industry on how to scale and continues to do so. You essentially have a data center on a chip. ^ show me a (muh single threaded performance) with this kind of throughput ... People are screeching about single-threaded performance and AMD has just...

  16. Design changes in Zen 2 (CPU/core/chiplet only)

    Overall, modern processor architecture is not a cake walk. You would have to have a full plate of undergraduate course and graduate coursework centered on computer engineering with a focus on computer architecture coupled with a wealth of industry experience to even begin accurately dissecting...

  17. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    Thank you for the correction. My head almost exploded at the thought of it being otherwise.

  18. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    My point was that it's a silly hotrod processor that is way beyond an efficient power envelope. 160W is about "normal".. Well, I'm glad I own a processor w/ double the I/O, memory bandwidth, and core count from a prior generation from AMD whose stock normal is only 180W.... Pushing those kind...

  19. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    That power envelope wasn't gimped either.. I had no clue that sucker used 175Watts at peak performance o_O. Given this, the conversations about 9900k have been even more absurd. If someone ever put an inefficient processor like this into a scaled data center they'd be suicided shortly after...

  20. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Good Marketing which makes Intel seem IBM like .. cold, irrelevant, and filled with gray hairs. The young people swoon over AMD partly due to this clever marketing and memes pour out daily. AMD is winning a generation... Intel is stuck in its old ways. Doesn't bode well. If some people knew the...

  21. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    K, you've calmed down a little. There was no crack at intel. It's simply an obvious observation from the chip they showed. Intel isn't even a part of the discussion. AMD has had a "platform" since the beginning and they are iteratively progressing it. The new big innovation is the "chiplet"...

  22. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Yep it's 14nm

  23. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    This is why you buy when a tremendous produce is released and sit on it for 4-5 years. I bought Pascal (Set on GPU) until 2020/2021 I bought 1st gen ryzen (2017) .... bump from 4 core to 8 core (set on CPU) until 2020 Never buy the junk in between major overhauls. I'll consider AMD @ navi and...

  24. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    wew lad.. I sense much butthurt :oops: Time to step away from the keyboard for a while. I'm not even going to respond much further.

  25. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Unbelievable that that the 9900k runs at 170Watts+... Thats near the suck down of my friggin 16 core threadripper. Jesus christ.. They literally riced out a civic (ringbus) w/ NoS on that processor :oops:... (Vttaaacchhh turboooo swwwwwuuuufffffftttt)

  26. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    We have. This was no doubt the low hanging fruit that would easily have been achieved. Thus why it was silly and absurd to keep ranting about the 9900k. I am laughing a little bit to anyone who ran out and bought that overpriced foolishness. Oh and the Ryzen chip will support PCIE 4.0...:D...

  27. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    Clicks = revenue. Unless there are official product releases for review, a lot of these groups have nothing to attract people to their content... Thus comes the shenanigans in between and why I ignore rumors. Absolutely none of them were accurate and there's no value in swooning over them.

  28. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    There's value in chipping away at massively overpriced GPUs. Undercutting by $100 while delivering double the memory and memory bandwidth.... Again, I won't be buying this.. But I do note the progress. Also, a 7nm consumer GPU is now available as of Feb 7th... Now Nvidia has to get off their...

  29. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    HBM2 has better performance, bandwidth, and power utilization characteristics. They delivered double the amount of memory for a lower price than nvidia. I'm sure a GDDR6 product will come. The power utilization will be higher, performance lower, and bandwidth lower. Vega struck me as...

  30. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    It's a consumer version with consumer pricing that brings competition to Nvidia. That's why it's important. Same Typos happen. No need to go further than that. pedantic... kek :rolleyes: Because it's progress and comeptition. You left out the part where I stated I wouldn't be buying AMD nor...

  31. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Look closely below the top die, what do you see when its titled at this angle? :cool: R.I.P - Shintel

  32. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    You can see the imprint for the 2nd compute die when she tilts it at a certain angle ;) Intel on suicide watch.. all that wasted hot air about 9900k. Non-production clocked chip beating it w/ 50Watts less power utilization in Cinebench... and it's coming w/ PCIE 4.0 Setting the standard and...

  33. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Yep, just caught it.. Very nice Something tells me CCIX from CPU to their 7nm GPU is lurking and undisclosed and that new GPU supports PCIE 4.0 as well... potentially

  34. Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    Clickbait for coin.. I ignore all of it especially e-celebs. The only time they matter are during official reviews w/ product in hand.

  35. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    The fact that its wedged so high up leads me to believe they might and can put another 8 cores on there... especially given that they have that massive I/O chip. If they went out of their way to make a custom desktop I/O chip, I am sure there will be another compute chiplet tossed on there.

  36. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Where did you hear PCIE 4.0 support?

  37. News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Would have loved to have gotten more info but knew this wouldn't be the case when it was delayed to the end of presentation. Very nice to see that they used the chiplet on Ryzen Desktop. They also demo'd it beating the 9900k in Cinebench w/ 50-60 less wattage. Given that EPYC has 64 cores and 8...

  38. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    And who wholesale boycotted Nvidia for their insane greed?... I did.. But others are gobbling up cards. This is what results.. Welcome to the end of Moore's law. You're not going to see higher gains until they go to chiplet architectures. Don't get me wrong, for me, this is a writeoff just like...

  39. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    > 1st 7nm GPU ahead of schedule (no one expected this much less available Feb 7th) > 8gb HBM2 to 16gb HBM2 For less than the competition.. The price standard was set at Nvidia and no one boycotted. Lisa Su is dawning a leather jacket.. Welcome to what happens when consumers support inflated...

  40. News AMD Announces Radeon VII

    Not an ouch.. a 2080 is $799, only has 8GB of Memory (GDDR6) - half what this has, and half the memory bandwidth (448GB/sec)... vs 1Tb/sec on AMD. This highlights what a rip-off nvidia has put fwd.
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