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Does the use of SME increase power usage in GB6? Also we need more info here? What was M3 avg watts in SPEC int?

Yep, it’s 8 channel. In the end the memory bandwidth is 120GB/s compared to 400GB/s on the M3 Max

I’m not Jimmy. I would very much like competition as that would keep Apple on their toes.

not this again, just wait for for end of year. When they release the Mac’s with these chips. We’d have proper benchmarks then. But in short looking at gb5 it’s about a 5% IPC improvement.

I’m just annoyed by their marketing lol. They keep on talking but not actually releasing the product.

It means that future MacBooks ie the 14” and 16” with M4 or later will easily support Tandem OLED. Tandem OLED is also coming to the rumoured 20.3” device. A lot of Apples future devices will use this tech, that includes iPhones.

I want to see if this sku will be offered X1 Elite (X1E-84-100), after all they bragged about it in their keynote. https://winfuture.de/news,142902.html Samsung seems be to offering good choices.

I don’t see anyone using 64bit bus. That’s what phones use. I think in 2026 all base ARM chips will be LP6 and 128-but bus. I could be wrong I have to see how M5 and X Elite 2 will use.

If leaks are to believed then Cortex X5 will have better IPC than Zen 5, Lion Cove and M3. The only problem is at what cost?

Microsoft build, next week. Most curious about what clocks X elite will be offered on the surface line.

The base M3 is nipping at the heels of the M3 Max. So I don’t believe it’s due to memory bandwidth, in fact I don’t think that plays a huge role. It helps but not that much. M3 is a dual channel LP5 SoC. The M3 P core is very powerful. There are mobile AMD and Intel parts that score much lower...

I wouldn’t call that Apple marketing but best buy marketing. Now the screenshot below is from Apple.com and it’s not misleading.

let’s just wait. Less than a month. No point going crazy now. Also is this the first time of P core and c core SoC from AMD in client?

If they didn’t then there’s no point of having “hybrid” cores. The point of having a P + c is c is much more efficient. One of reasons AMD did is to perform better at a lower TDP.

Before I can offer some input, what’s the difference with a Zen5 and Zen5c core? I know they are the same architecture but what’s different about them? Thanks

Funny, Intel gets rid of 512-bit vector extensions due to hybrid architecture in client cpus but Apple's like nah, here's 512-bit vectors in a base M chip with a hybrid architecture as well.

its real. My guess is N5P allowed for higher clocks.

They have increased clock speed compared to base M chip for the M2 family. M2 Max had a higher clock rate than M2. Since N3E is a much better node we might see increased clocks for M4 Max.

That’s actually a good use case.

This belongs here as well. Lol Post in thread 'Apple Silicon SoC thread' http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/apple-silicon-soc-thread.2587205/post-41210527 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6107586 I guess it’s not easy to sustain the 4.4Ghz in an iPad that’s 5.1mm thin. Bodes well for the...

Nice to nice the thermal improvement vs M2 iPP. Apple really did deliver more performance while making it thinner. Amazing, these would be the best computer on the market if it dual booted macOS. Ahh!

I want this display on a Macbook. In the pic above 2018 vs M4.

I agree with you Igor, most Apple's users and reviewers have been critical of the iPad Pro. It has excellent hardware but lacklusture software. It's got BMW hardware but has Honda software, no wonder iPad's sales are declining(Why upgrade when the last 3 iPad Pros do the same thing). There is...

I guess people want those big gains.

More details from longhorn

Yeah, it looks like Apple is using these node advancements while they get their CPU team in order. It also helps that Firestorm is still relevant today.

lol.. Maybe if I win the lottery.

Great points. I would also say the huge bandwidth helps as well. That’s before Apple is using LP5X. MLX is also advancing as well. Honestly, the more companies try to break down Nvidias iron wall the better. I would like to say AMD should make a larger APU with more bandwidth. Maybe, Zen6...

I learnt now that extensions do accelerate part of a workflow when it’s supported but it’s not the CPU core that’s doing the work. SME can be implemented by other ARM vendors too and it’s not specific to M4( Well, it won’t be in a few years). Best real world tests are Blender and code...

They promoted the unlocked bootloader in their dev presentations. The Mac also has an unlocked bootloader to run previous versions of macOS that are no longer supported by Apple, which in turn also supports other Operating Systems as well. An M1 Mac can be restored to its original OS that...

That’s good. Last I saw an article that it’s up to 64 for halo

This isn’t anything new, companies buy MacBooks with 128gb ram. They are incredibly popular because of this. Strix Halo will bring it the Windows world albeit with half the capacity of a M3 Max MacBook and before you say Mac isn’t a competitor it sure is in the premium segment.

Cinebench 2024 is better than GB6 even though it’s a renderer benchmark. Just avoid GB6. Looking at SPEC, M4 is not a major leap that GB6 indicates.

Any ideas on why Logic is 40% faster? That’s a big jump

It’s clear IPC shouldn’t be derived from one benchmark. Since M4 is the first ARM SoC with SME, I do think it will take some for real world apps to implement SME. I’m not aware of any application (apart from GB) right now that supports SME so we can’t test the uplift from M3 to M4 if an...

Completely agree. Just having some fun with the GB6 charts I been seeing on weibo and Twitter. It’s been real fun learning all these extensions. Let’s be honest there is some bias against Apple and Intel among the internet and that’s to be expected.

Hopefully, Dell updated those slides containing Apple comparisons. Because the M2 and M3 Mac Airs got cheaper and the $2000 machine is no longer a M2 Pro.

Look Intels adding more neural extensions to Lunar and Arrow lake? https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-arrow-lake-s-lunar-lake-cpus-will-support-instructions-for-avx-vnni-int16-sha512-sm3-sm4-and-lam I guess we gotta check the IPC improvement for Intels upcoming CPUs without all these...

It’s only an issue when Apple has a huge lead. Have you seen the how internet reacted when Apple introduced the worlds first 64bit ARM cpu. They didn’t believe it and downplayed it.

Looks like AMD also benefits from AVX512-VNNI? Zen 4: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6068797 Zen 3: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6068803 Huge uplift in Object Detections section. So anyone going to calculate IPC without Object detection now for Zen 4 cause of AI shenanigans.