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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Not really interesting in finding out zen4 efficiency with desktop parts, the i/O die is usually sniffing around 30%+ of the power alone in <100PPT comparisons, while Intel's ringbus is using less than 10W on Raptor dies, their cores get way more power to play with. Now once phoenix makes it...
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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    Definitely interested where you've seen that.
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Intel is nice enough to detail their groups financials every quarter, all it takes is to read carefully. And margins in their client groups dropping from 37 to 20, which is a FORTY FIVE PERCENT drop tells anyone that they're giving away chips. Don't worry though, their datacenter group is doing...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Gelsinger, the CEO of Intel
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Pat probably thought its better to make no profit and have fabs utilized than have even less profit and have fabs sitting idle, even if margins have to drop to single digits.. the old managment would never sacrifice margins
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Intel flooding the channel with cheap chips, while AMD is trying to keep margins, just look at the Q3 CCG margin drop YoY, from 37% to 20%, like datacenter they're giving away chips for peanuts. I seriously doubt this is sustainable for Intel, but best of luck to them.
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    Discussion Zen 4 Core Specifications Discussion

    EFB on everything seemingly soon I guess, SERDES over organic interposer can only go so far
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    Question Do smartphone SoC's come with integrated WiFi chips ?

    Not actively following smartphone SoCs but I think the PHY(which should logically use the most power) should be integrated while the MAC and antennas should be separate. Happy to be corrected on this.
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    Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

    If Phoenix is using CoWoS or whatever fancy name it goes under now like N31 is using then I see little point in not moving the GPU to its own die, active power should be minimal but the benefits of moving the GPU chiplet to a different node with denser libraries that the CPU portion can't use...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    CapframeX has an axe to grind against Ryzen for the last half year, and quite publicly at that, I trust his word as much as I trust userbenchmark. Even if it is true, one two or even five cases where SMT and 1CCD off is beneficial does not negate the hundred others where it matters absolutely...
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    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    What's with the peak power in Single thread loads? If I didn't know better I'd say it was inrush current lol
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    Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Genoa single core gets similar score to a 4.4/4.5GHz Cezanne APU, quite impressive. We've been fed 2.7-3.0GHz single core mainstream (non-F) server chips for years, finally improvements are in order.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Raptor's biggest improvement comes from fixing low clocking stock ringbus, anyone tuning ADL would have fixed that first and foremost before attempting anything else. It's gonna be real close, Raptor has a decent clock boost against 12900k, but not against the KS and tuned vs tuned will look...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    Linux performance for new chips usually improves quite a decent bit in the half year following the launch, so it should look even better. The effect is amplified for server chips while kernel maintainers tweak the NUMA settings
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    Announcement PSA: You need a Torque driver for Thread Ripper + EYPC

    Don't worry my experience with 1000ftlbs+ pneumatic impact wrenches gives me ample experience to do it by hand
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    Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

    4090 seems to have a bit of issue utilizitng its hardware at under 1440p, probably half due to CPU bottleneck and half to due low shader utilization, probably a good niche for AMD to carve out for themselves, 3D Raphael might actually push high end GPU sales
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    Lack of R&D probably led to ignoring the 4S/8S server market Intel had on lockdown, if AMD gets to 50% server marketshare they'll probably start targeting that as well. Guess that would require a faster socket to socket interconnect?
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Cache latency is _primarily_ determined by wire distance, which V-cache doesn't have a problem with, 2D caches can only go wider, increasing distance from the core V-cache sits near the core, which is why V-cache is only 4 cycles higher than the regular Veremeer L3 for 3x the size. If not the...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    That's the public excuse, much more likely is that 3D-cache uses HD cells and they don't really like going over 1.3V, 3Dcache and base die share the same voltage rail in Milan-X and 5800XD so the die itself isn't allowed to go above that limiting Fmax
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    Question AMD to double EPYC production rate in 2023

    That's what happens when you introduce a new product into the mix that uses a new node, near overnight 60%+ increase in volume, you don't stop selling N7 SKU and you won't stop selling them even when N3 hits. Milan is still much, much cheaper to make than Sapphire Rapids, lower TCO and has...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    That's the problem with aggregate/geometric mean scores, if you only look at them while not looking at what workloads are tested it can end up looking like there's minimal generation improvement. For example, 20 tests, 14 are ST/2thread bound, rest don't scale beyond 6-8 cores. Would make 24C...
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    That single thread score looks like a joke, almost 30% off from desktop chips. I know they're laptops but geekbench is bordering on microbenchmark territory, so boosting for seconds shouldn't be a problem
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    Whole package change like ADL, massive increase in int/fp registers and in flight load and stores, 6 wide or more at least, OoO resrouces out of the wazoo, I fully expect them to either double or 1.5x increase (almost) everything zen4 has Though I think avx512 will remain "double pumped"...
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    Question Zen 4 X3D and speculation about Dragon Range X - Intel's nightmare

    The regular 64MB of L3 that Raphel(Dragon) has is technically still "highest ever for a mobile gaming CPU" But I agree that v-cache would let AMD chips end up in some really high margin laptops
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    E-cores or "cinnebench accelerators" as I've recently started calling them only exist because the P-cores are extremely area and power inefficient. Intel wouldn't even be making this clumsy hybrid design that needs a constant updates to software crutch (thread director) and disabling of half the...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Ask yourself this: "do i want a 12 pounder desktop replacement or do I want a 900 gram bread knife $1400 starting"
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    No need for TJmax adjustment, and likely no motherboard will support that, just lower the PPT by a bit and you won't be hitting 95C, assuming your cooling isn't anemic.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    These power figures make me very happy as an AMD shareholder.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Read this https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?p=614191 tl;dr is that the frontend has much less work to do with avx512, so that saves power. And since AMD's avx512 is "double pumped", it doesn't have that extra FMA port gimping clockspeeds and eating the power budget
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Computerbase has done 65-140W benchmarks of around 10 different tests, not much change, zen4 is an absolute efficiency monstrosity at anything under 9W per core (probably even more since I'm including the I/O die) Also much saner temperatures at any ECO stop Notice how the new boost (run to...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Agreed, this perf at all cost trend is annoying both for CPUs and GPUs, thankfully it's easy to fix on the user side.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    https://www.computerbase.de/2022-09/amd-ryzen-7950x-7900x-7700x-7600x-test/2/ Those ECO mode numbers are outright disgusting, 65(83?)W 7950X faster than a 12900k across 9 multithreaded benchmarks.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I seriously doubt those power figures at those clocks, more than likely sensors not reading it properly, wish we had more power testing directly from the rails
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    Discussion Zen 4 vs Raptor Lake (Profit and Volume)

    Please just look at their guidance and their P/E, if everything was so rosy Intel stock wouldn't be in the 20s
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    Discussion Zen 4 vs Raptor Lake (Profit and Volume)

    What money? Intel's profits are horrendous, and they're about to get even worse with demand falling in every market.
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    Seems like really going mITX is the way to go, a PCIe slot does wonders for futureproofing if I decide to get a U2 expander or put that good ol' m1015 to use, even tho I had quite some issues with ivybridge gigabyte boards refusing to detect it.. the wonders of server hardware on consumer...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    NUC and SBC like boards don't usually have power control from what I remember, and this wouldn't be a gaming machine so I wouldn't install windows on it, so no ryzen master ( i don't think even laptops have it?) Linux has some SMU control mechanisms but they're very unofficial, and i don't want...
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    Discussion Speculation: Zen 4 (EPYC 4 "Genoa", Ryzen 7000, etc.)

    I seem to recall quite a number of people calling zen4 "dieshrunk zen3" very satisfied with the performance while core counts stayed the same. Now if only we could get a <65W SKU that can be used for SFF
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    Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

    There's not really much of a difference when Raptor Lake's biggest feature is its clockspeed, which is neutered in the i5 and lower lines
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