Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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gothuevos

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"The bottom line is that Democrats doubt that two of the strongest criminal cases against Trump, including the more serious charge that he sought to overturn the results of the last presidential election, will reach a verdict before November"


I tried to tell you guys nothing would come of his court cases. And they simply vanish when he becomes president again.


 

fskimospy

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"The bottom line is that Democrats doubt that two of the strongest criminal cases against Trump, including the more serious charge that he sought to overturn the results of the last presidential election, will reach a verdict before November"


I tried to tell you guys nothing would come of his court cases. And they simply vanish when he becomes president again.


He is literally sitting in court today in a trial that will conclude long before the election, one that he is highly likely to be convicted of multiple felonies in.

The amount of drugs someone has to be on to be this delusional…
 

Fenixgoon

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He is literally sitting in court today in a trial that will conclude long before the election, one that he is highly likely to be convicted of multiple felonies in.

The amount of drugs someone has to be on to be this delusional…
Do any of them carry jail time or is it all financial penalties?
 

Roger Wilco

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It's 2-3 percent lower according to 538, and Trump is on the ballot this time. There's also RFK in the mix... I'm not sure it's going to be so easy to predict, but I would probably lean Trump right now. The Democrats should have selected a better candidate.

Rationally, I agree that it shouldn't REALLY REALLY matter that Biden is old, and also looks old, and moves like an old man, and sometimes has weird slips, but it does.


Thank you.

I guess I’m not sold on the idea that Trump and/or RFK are going to be beneficial for the GOP in November. Early polling doesn’t really tell us much of anything.

It matters that Biden is old, but have you seen the other guy?!? He’s literally falling asleep in court and has half the energy he had just a few years ago. He looks and sounds like shit. IMO, Trumps cognitive decline is accelerating rapidly and is far more conspicuous than Biden’s appearance.
 

gothuevos

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He is literally sitting in court today in a trial that will conclude long before the election, one that he is highly likely to be convicted of multiple felonies in.

The amount of drugs someone has to be on to be this delusional…

Did you read the article? I'm not talking about the hush money case - nobody cares about that.
 

fskimospy

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Did you read the article? I'm not talking about the hush money case - nobody cares about that.
I guarantee you lots of people care about that.

I do appreciate you once again filling your diaper because while Trump will likely be convicted of 30+ felonies they aren’t the right felonies for you.
 
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fskimospy

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And nothing will come of it. And the most important cases will never go to trial.

But we got him!
It’s fun to watch you find new ways to fill your diaper.

At first you complained that he wouldn’t be tried before the election. Then when informed he would be, exactly what you claimed to want, you immediately switched to ‘but it won’t matter!’
 

evident

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There are too many insatiable demands coming from the left. Biden is forgiving student debt at a fast clip, moreso than anyone could possibly imagine could happen, and there is no coverage on this. This was something Bernie was F&*(&(ing campaigning on.Young Turks and other left loons are still saying he isn't doing enough. Tell that to the people who are benefitting from this NOW!

Now comes the Gaza thing. I agree he needs to do more and fast but at the end of the day he does not control israel, US foreign policy does not do abrupt 180's and can only veer as fast as a huge, lumbering ship. this is something most of these people complaining don't understand. I get being frustrated, but to call him a genocider, is a little bit excessive
 

nakedfrog

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There are too many insatiable demands coming from the left. Biden is forgiving student debt at a fast clip, moreso than anyone could possibly imagine could happen, and there is no coverage on this.
Sounds like... hey, pretty much everything else he's gotten done. Much less "exciting" than "sleepy old career criminal makes stink in courtroom".
Gotta hope there's some kind of plan to raise the profile of the administration's accomplishments once we get closer to the election.
 
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manly

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Sounds like... hey, pretty much everything else he's gotten done. Much less "exciting" than "sleepy old career criminal makes stink in courtroom".
Gotta hope there's some kind of plan to raise the profile of the administration's accomplishments once we get closer to the election.
They've tried pushing "Bidenomics" for over a year now; consumers just aren't buying it (the U.S. consumer IS still spending like drunken sailors). Clueless voters still think 'Pubs are "better" at the economy despite decades of hard evidence otherwise.

The macroeconomy is finally downshifting a bit, and there's actually some downside potential over the next few months. It's already too late for an official recession to be declared, but the real issue is people's "vibes" and feelings. Those vibes will most likely be baked in by August. The unemployment rate rising over the next 5 months would be a mild headwind.

People like to claim Dems just suck at "messaging," but what do you do when voters ignore facts and believe nonsense?
 

VRAMdemon

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There are too many insatiable demands coming from the left. Biden is forgiving student debt at a fast clip, moreso than anyone could possibly imagine could happen, and there is no coverage on this. This was something Bernie was F&*(&(ing campaigning on.Young Turks and other left loons are still saying he isn't doing enough. Tell that to the people who are benefitting from this NOW!

Now comes the Gaza thing. I agree he needs to do more and fast but at the end of the day he does not control israel, US foreign policy does not do abrupt 180's and can only veer as fast as a huge, lumbering ship. this is something most of these people complaining don't understand. I get being frustrated, but to call him a genocider, is a little bit excessive

Yeah ... Presidents do not have a monopoly over how we conduct foreign policy. Pro-Palestine voters need to push House and Senate candidates to take a stand and vote for those whose positions they agree with.

If you are a Pro-Palestine person - there is no other choice than to vote Biden. What is Biden supposed to do? He cant call back the IDF or anything. He cant withhold aid, that is Congress. Could he have vetoed that aid bill? And left Ukraine in the lurch? Iran is clearly the enemy of the US and Democracy. Netanyahu isn’t complaining about the student protests in the US because he doesn't give a shit what university students think. But if he can sell the narrative that there is a massive wave of antisemitism that Biden is allowing to happen ....

The GOP and Trump are sworn and deadly foes to the Pal. cause … At least Biden is putting pressure on Netanyahu, which seems to be having some effect. So, to continue the silly shit sandwich analogy about Biden that I've been hearing... Biden is giving you a bread sandwich- no meat, nothing else, but at least it is SOMETHING. Herr Trump would give you pure shit - and no bread. No one is going to give you a delicious halal sandwich. Its either bread or shit. Handing the election to Trump would be the worst possible thing pro-Palestinian people could do for that cause.

The best bet for pro-Palestinian people is to hope that this war is over long before November and everyone has largely forgotten about it. Because if Trump ends up voted back in, you get genocide. Not like the current situation which generates a lot of discussion about whether it is a genocide or whether it just looks a lot like one. No, under Trump you get full-on genocide as in no more Palestinian state and possibly no more Palestinians at all. In voting for Trump, you get an insane person who hates Muslims and is fascinated by nuclear weapons and wants to use one in the worst way. When Trump says he’ll end the conflict in 24 hours, I'd bet he isn’t talking about his negotiating skills.

Trump getting back into office means that every layer of accountability in the US has been defeated and this childish, selfish, insane man will have been handed unlimited power at zero possible consequence to him for any of his actions past, present or future. Bearing this in mind, I expect that in this scenario, pro-Palestinian American voters in the US will be considered to fall into the same “vermin” category as Palestinians, Democrats, people of color. the LGBT community, RINOs, Jewish-Americans who don’t show Trump sufficient loyalty and journalists who don’t print pro-Trump headlines etc. etc. - blah blah blah

Biden has been pressuring Bibi, abstaining from some UN votes, etc. While Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The choice is clear – if you have any sympathy for the Palestinians at all, vote Biden. If you side with liberal Israelis that think that Bibi may be going too far, vote Biden. If you like American democracy, vote Biden. Protest votes during the primary are fine, but when it comes to the general election, pro-Palestine voters should be first in line, doing whatever they can to get out the Biden vote.
 

MrSquished

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Yeah ... Presidents do not have a monopoly over how we conduct foreign policy. Pro-Palestine voters need to push House and Senate candidates to take a stand and vote for those whose positions they agree with.

If you are a Pro-Palestine person - there is no other choice than to vote Biden. What is Biden supposed to do? He cant call back the IDF or anything. He cant withhold aid, that is Congress. Could he have vetoed that aid bill? And left Ukraine in the lurch? Iran is clearly the enemy of the US and Democracy. Netanyahu isn’t complaining about the student protests in the US because he doesn't give a shit what university students think. But if he can sell the narrative that there is a massive wave of antisemitism that Biden is allowing to happen ....

The GOP and Trump are sworn and deadly foes to the Pal. cause … At least Biden is putting pressure on Netanyahu, which seems to be having some effect. So, to continue the silly shit sandwich analogy about Biden that I've been hearing... Biden is giving you a bread sandwich- no meat, nothing else, but at least it is SOMETHING. Herr Trump would give you pure shit - and no bread. No one is going to give you a delicious halal sandwich. Its either bread or shit. Handing the election to Trump would be the worst possible thing pro-Palestinian people could do for that cause.

The best bet for pro-Palestinian people is to hope that this war is over long before November and everyone has largely forgotten about it. Because if Trump ends up voted back in, you get genocide. Not like the current situation which generates a lot of discussion about whether it is a genocide or whether it just looks a lot like one. No, under Trump you get full-on genocide as in no more Palestinian state and possibly no more Palestinians at all. In voting for Trump, you get an insane person who hates Muslims and is fascinated by nuclear weapons and wants to use one in the worst way. When Trump says he’ll end the conflict in 24 hours, I'd bet he isn’t talking about his negotiating skills.

Trump getting back into office means that every layer of accountability in the US has been defeated and this childish, selfish, insane man will have been handed unlimited power at zero possible consequence to him for any of his actions past, present or future. Bearing this in mind, I expect that in this scenario, pro-Palestinian American voters in the US will be considered to fall into the same “vermin” category as Palestinians, Democrats, people of color. the LGBT community, RINOs, Jewish-Americans who don’t show Trump sufficient loyalty and journalists who don’t print pro-Trump headlines etc. etc. - blah blah blah

Biden has been pressuring Bibi, abstaining from some UN votes, etc. While Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The choice is clear – if you have any sympathy for the Palestinians at all, vote Biden. If you side with liberal Israelis that think that Bibi may be going too far, vote Biden. If you like American democracy, vote Biden. Protest votes during the primary are fine, but when it comes to the general election, pro-Palestine voters should be first in line, doing whatever they can to get out the Biden vote.
Yeah you're definitely glossing over some things about Biden with Israel and if you want to actually reach the few people that are reachable on the far left it's better not to gloss over things. The US abstained from one vote. Otherwise they have voted it in lockstep with Israel, including just recently to deny a two-state solution. We are literally arming the ethnic cleansing.

Just acknowledge the Truth and then make the obvious case that Biden is the only answer regardless
 
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