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Joe NYC

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Oh it's not selling at all just yet.
Late Q1 was just the inflection point.

Some time ago, precisely at Q3 2023 earnings conference, Lisa said it takes 7-8 months to produce Mi300. So this was the hardest time for AMD, those 7-8 months, with so much stuff in the oven, and not much coming out of the oven.

 
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For client in general: it doesn't matter if it is much faster Intel will spam cheapo RPL laptops at slightly lower prices and it will sell better still.

There is some double speak going on, if you pay attention:

On IFS, Intel said that their costs are uncompetitive, and there will be huge improvement when they move to EUV. Meaning costs to make RPL are high.

Then, they give the dies to the "Products" division at half price, and "Products" then shows good margins.

Last quarter, they pulled some stored RPL dies at artificially low cost, sold them, and "beat" estimates on profits. But the storage is empty for next quarter, so, on the company-wide bases, they have to show real combined costs. And (Surprise!) earnings are projected to be down from 18 cents to 10 cents.

Next quarter, when Intel reaches inside a hat, there will be no rabbits there to pull out.
 

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At this point, AMD is basically dominating hyperscaler sales. If you are purchasing mainly the highest-end chips, and are doing so by the truckload, you are probably already getting more than half your x86 product from AMD.

Papermaster said as much in one of the investor convergences late last year. That among US based hyperscalers, AMD reached 50% market share.
 

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Papermaster said as much in one of the investor convergences late last year. That among US based hyperscalers, AMD reached 50% market share.

Wich mean that there s 50% who are buying outdated Intel hardware wich is one gen late, at this rate they need to spend at least 50% more for an equivalently performing configuration, not counting the much bigger power comsumption bill, so there s 50% of the clouds executives who are incompetent.
 

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Wich mean that there s 50% who are buying outdated Intel hardware wich is one gen late, at this rate they need to spend at least 50% more for an equivalently performing configuration, not counting the much bigger power comsumption bill, so there s 50%
of the executives who are incompetent.

It's not so simple because of the discounts. Intel can get away with it because they have so much slack 10 nm capacity... well not enough to fund the future nodes, but hey.
 
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It's not so simple because of the discounts. Intel can get away with it because they have so much slack 10 nm capacity... well not enough to fund the future nodes, but hey.
Even with the discounts that s a certainity that they ll lose marketshare because they will have less throughput/VMs for sale than those who made the right choice, and at a higher cost given the augmented TCO, if they want to subside Intel at their own expenses so be it, their competitors and AMD buyers approve such a foly.
 
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Joe NYC

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Wich mean that there s 50% who are buying outdated Intel hardware wich is one gen late, at this rate they need to spend at least 50% more for an equivalently performing configuration, not counting the much bigger power comsumption bill, so there s 50% of the clouds executives who are incompetent.

I agree. Intel benefited from NVidia reference systems having SPR CPU. Clearly, because NVidia does not perceive Intel as a threat, rather than pairing it with far more capable Genoa CPUs. The customers are forced to use SPR. I wonder what percentage of Intel server CPUs have shipped this way.

In not-too-distant future, NVidia will try to phase out SPR, and try to force-freed customers with their own Grace CPUs.
 

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In not-too-distant future, NVidia will try to phase out SPR, and try to force-freed customers with their own Grace CPUs.
IMHO, that'll only work for workloads that go a lighter on the CPU and much heavier on the GPU. Often they are tightly coupled, which is why ST still matters. I haven't looked at this for LLMs - so in that one arena, I'm not sure what makes the best system.
 
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I agree. Intel benefited from NVidia reference systems having SPR CPU. Clearly, because NVidia does not perceive Intel as a threat, rather than pairing it with far more capable Genoa CPUs. The customers are forced to use SPR. I wonder what percentage of Intel server CPUs have shipped this way.

In not-too-distant future, NVidia will try to phase out SPR, and try to force-freed customers with their own Grace CPUs.

In much less than a distant future, that is this year, AMD will provide a full plateform with Zen 5 based Epyc and MI400, for the time this is Zen 4 based Epyc + MI300 and they have best perf/watt and absolute perf even with the latter.
 
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In much less than a distant future, that is this year, AMD will provide a full platform with Zen 5 based Epyc and MI400 MI300, for the time this is Zen 4 based Epyc + MI300 and they have best perf/watt and absolute perf even with the latter.
FIFY.
 
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Joe NYC

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In much less than a distant future, that is this year, AMD will provide a full plateform with Zen 5 based Epyc and MI400, for the time this is Zen 4 based Epyc + MI300 and they have best perf/watt and absolute perf even with the latter.

A lot of the Mi300x units that have been shipping are shipping on SPR platform. NVidia basically validated 2x SPR + 8x H100 platform. And Mi300x could just swap in for H100 in the same platform. So, some SPR are getting on the market even through this unlikely route.

This was all due to time to market, but in the meantime, AMD and OEMs have been working on Zen 4 (which will become Zen 5) platform for Mi300x etc.
 
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