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From early reviews it seems like the 5600XT and Nvidia 2060 are basically tied both in performance and power consumption although GN's 12V rail power numbers and Anandtech's system power numbers don't agree, not sure why that is.
 
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uzzi38

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So is your opinion worth listening to or not?
That's for you to decide, but last I checked I don't make absurd claims like what usually spawns there.

Also, haven't I made it clear already I try and stay away from there? Only times I ever post now is to correct someone or something along those lines, very rarely to voice my own personal opinions.
 

tamz_msc

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You are forgetting also "space invaders" and dead RTX cards, that is another "extra" from nvidia...
This "extra" will also make you spend $15 or $20 to RMA it and hope the manufacturer fixes it right

The RX 5600 XT is all around a better card than the RTX 2060. You just don't want admit it.
AMD drivers are as stable as nvidia's
That was just a one-off issue with certain Micron-GDDR6-equipped cards which got fixed quickly. AMD's drivers for Navi are nowhere as stable as Nvidia's and that is a fact borne out of countless forum posts.
 

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This chart :


MSI RX 5600 XT Gaming X did amazing job.damn those temp are low !!
 

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That was just a one-off issue with certain Micron-GDDR6-equipped cards which got fixed quickly. AMD's drivers for Navi are nowhere as stable as Nvidia's and that is a fact borne out of countless forum posts.

One- off issue?
Quickly fixed?
You are out of touch with reality.
The space invaders was wide spread. A web search gives you even more results.

I still have RTX 2070s waiting to be replaced, it has taken months, so yeah, a "one-off issue" and "quickly fixed"...
 

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At work so haven't gotten through all the reviews, but read something along the lines that due to the last minute BIOS swap, not all cards available for review are being reviewed?

I'm assuming all cards that have reviews out now have the updated bios?

How does AMD continue to shoot itself in the foot with their launches?
 
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I get the feeling AMD's short term plan here is to just execute *something* into the sub-$300 space, and get their launch and execution game refined. I figure the whole stack gets shifted downward and Navi 10 ends up in the sub $300 space like it should have from the get-go with the impending release of a big and maybe bigger Navi.

A thrice cut down 250mm2 part to service the fattest part of the $/Perf bell curve doesn't make any sense in any other context. I don't think AMD expects the 5600XT to be a long lived part and if they were willing to sacrifice the VII 6 months after launch there is no doubt in my mind that this card exists as nothing more than a short term stop-gap product.
 
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The card itself is fine, even if its obvious that they're trading off power efficiency hard for performance, but I can't imagine their board partners being remotely happy with AMD's shenanigans.
Have you read or watched at least one review before you post nonsense like this?
 

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NVENC is a selling point because it lowers the bar for entering into streaming, if you care for that sort of thing.

CUDA is another selling point for those who do run stuff like Blender or Premiere, or those who do development work.

And let's be honest AMD's driver issues are far more severe than just simple random black screens.

And an overwhelmingly large majority of customers will never do a BIOS mod on a 5700 to get XT levels of performance, because they want a strictly hassle-free out of the box experience.
Except for when the corresponding NVIDIA card is better when overclocked. Then suddenly everyone's strictly a hardcore overclocker.
 
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About that Overclocking of RTX 2060.

Why everybody assumes that RX 5600 XT will not overclock?

It has the highest OC potential from all Navi cards, because it is so heavily underclocked.
 
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Glo.

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Have you actually looked at reviews before personally attacking people?
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The new BIOS is absolutely trading off energy efficiency compared to what was originally intended for the card.


Are you sure YOU know what you are talking about?

You base your opinion about a GPU on ONE review, and outlier, with higher clock speeds.

And yes, Asus Strix is still faster than RTX 2060:
 

lobz

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Have you actually looked at reviews before personally attacking people?
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The new BIOS is absolutely trading off energy efficiency compared to what was originally intended for the card.
I wrote this here a couple of times already in the past 2 years, but I view practically every post as it didn't exist, that has TPU charts in them. Might as well go to userbenchmark and copy data from them... After watching the Hardwareunboxed and GN reviews, and I don't know where this great sacrifice is you mention. All I see is, it's still a little more efficient than the 2060, and compared to the original specs, they sacrificed 10W TDP for a lot more performance. I know TDP is not power consumption, but still... you definitely won't convince me with anything coming from TPU. I didn't attack you, your post was complete nonsense for me, and I really thought you just wrote that because you thought that would happen. It could be seen as a sacrifice if the card with the new specs wasn't efficient anymore (like what they did with the Vega cards for example).

But the reality is this: the card is fast and efficient, for a good price. If only AMD didn't make a drooling fool out of themselves during one GPU launch for a change.....
 

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For so many people upset over this release, why not just buy a 2060? I mean they've been out forever already, and you pay just a little more? I can't believe we're arguing about power consumption in this day and age when we o/c the hell out of everything.
 

lobz

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The guys that are saying nvidia encoder is superior to amd need to update their information, amd encoder is much superior to the nvidia now.
FASTER THAN 2080ti?! - AMD Radeon RX 5700 & 5700XT for Streamers & Content Creators (AMF UPGRADE?!)
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Unfortunately it's gonna take some time until the software will be bug-free - and usable at least. Then it will be absolutely superior to NVENC - till the next NV GPU at least. The HW itself is already better, yes.
 

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For so many people upset over this release, why not just buy a 2060? I mean they've been out forever already, and you pay just a little more? I can't believe we're arguing about power consumption in this day and age when we o/c the hell out of everything.
But then why not just buy a 5700 for $329? Not even a contest, no matter how much you OC a 2060.
 

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That VBIOS last minute shenanigans is retarded. We consider ourselves enthusiasts but I have plenty of friends/acquaintances that wouldn't touch a BIOS update within a 10 foot pole. They just don't trust bricking their hardware. This isn't going to be good.

A lot of regular people are just expecting their hardware to work out of the box without expecting to mess around with updates besides drivers, let alone flashing their video card BIOS. I know most people don't even flash their motherboard BIOS, at that.

Then its time to pull their enthusiasts cards.

Flashing a Video bios is not really different from flashing a motherboard bios.

If you don't trust yourself to flash a bios you are just a person that plays games on a PC not an enthusiasts.
 
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But then why not just buy a 5700 for $329? Not even a contest, no matter how much you OC a 2060.

Assuming it's ok enough with drivers, the 5700 indeed seems way smarter than either the 2060 or 5600XT.

Honestly the 2060 and 5600XT are both so thoroughly mediocre and IMHO overpriced for what you get that I can't understand the value in bickering between them. ~$300 is too much money for a 6GB card heading into 2020.

Also, comparing various 5600XTs to 'The 2060' is an exercise in misplaced total importance in number because so many things can vary these equations. 'The 2060' is bone stock OG, as the FE was a 1680Mhz SKU with 14gbps memory. Looking at the models which you can actually buy these days, most of them are AIBs that exceed the stock 2060FE performance to various degrees, so twiddling over 2% here or 4% there doesn't mean a lot in general. Given the random match of brand X 5600XT and brand Z 2060 AIB, it's probably a coin flip as to which is faster. Micro Center here just had the EVGA 2060 KO @ 1755Mhz and improved cooling for $299, though it along with the 5600XT show as 'sold out', so that's academic I suppose.

In every respect other than very specific circumstances or concerns (far be it from me to judge someone who had a bad experience that colors their perspective), I believe the better buys are either to go used Pascal/Vega, or go bigger and start at the 2060S or 5700, and the 5700 price is hard to ignore, should you find one under the $350 mark, it's hands down better than the 2060 and 5600 6GB, and better still if you're of a mind to flash to a custom VBios to gain access to greater power and clock potential.

I totally understand why many are underwhelmed by the 5600XT. Yes, it's marginally better value at $299 than most 2060s (which as noted, if AIB may well be faster still), but let's be brutally honest here. The RTX lineup was a complete stall in price/perf even months after release, and arguably an actual decline in price/perf over Pascal if you bought at the right times, and with LESS memory in some pricing tiers. Eg; 1070ti was under $370 in June of 2018, and seems to be roughly equal to a typical 2060, albeit with 8GB vs 6GB. The 2060s were $350 and up, so pretty close to zero movement there other than losing 2GB of Vram. Even if you bought a 1070ti in late 2017 at MSRP, you didn't spend very much at all, yet had a great card that entire time that couldn't decisively be upgraded by anything short of a 2070 at $499, and to any degree you'd much notice would demand a 2080 at an eye watering $799(FE), then $699 (AIB). It got worse up the chain. A decent GTX 1080 model would need to be replaced by at least a 2080 to be noticable, as a good model 1080 11Gbit like a Strix or Aorus is totally in the range of 2070 performance, and again : same 8GB total memory. Bummer, because even to get the roughly equal 2070 means the same price range you could have bought a dang 1080 for in freaking 2016. Oh, and then the worst part, 1080ti owners, most of which own premium (better than base clocks) variants. What could they buy? The 2070 was slower, so nope. The 2080 was so close as to be indistinguishable and was DOWN 3GB for the ride, so nope. Yep, you know it : the $1199 (if you were lucky that is) 2080ti. ~35% faster, for MORE than 35% more expensive than a 1080ti @ $699. No VRAM upgrade, about the only thing you could call a value add is that eventually RTX got along far enough to be both usable and interesting in a miniscule number of titles. Oh, and extremely scary risk of space Invaders ram failure, whee.

The 'Supers' vaguely improved things by sometimes moving OG 20XX down a few bucks and offering closer (but not 'great') to the price/perf RTX should have launched at to begin with.

So you see, GPU value has been stalled for years barring a handful of deals and specials. RTX didn't even have to be so disappointing. The 2060 could have launched with 8GB @ $299, the 2070 with 8GB at $399, the "2080" with perhaps 12GB at $549, and the "2080ti" with 16GB or so at $899. People would have been happy overall with that. RTX has been out for ages now, and we're not even approaching the prices and value they should have presented from the start.

And what has AMD GPU division done? Certainly not what their CPU division has been up to with the whole kicking butts and dominating. Nope, instead middling products that mostly skirt OLD Nvidia products (as well as their own legacy stuff!) in terms of value and performance. The sketchy Vega 7 on 7nm was a power hog that fell on its face in the weirdest ways, and at best was a 1080ti general equal, only YEARS late and at the same MSRP, hoo boy. 5700/5700XT came out, and were 'okay', mostly a plug in to existing value with no disruption. 5500 came out as every bit the craven greedy move that the 1650 represented : not necessarily a bad product, but BADLY priced. Coming from 2016, you'd expect to see something like that tier at $149 max for the 5500, and the 1650 makes sense around $99-$109ish.

Come full circle to the 5600XT, and yaaaay, another product that basically plugs in to the existing paradigm of stagnation. Single digits separate it at best in most categories vs a virtual antique from the competition, yet it is indeed missing hardware RT, and at 7nm it can only swap blows with the 12nm 2060 complete with a generous amount of questionably useful RT and Tensor transistors fattening it up like a twinkie and ho-ho addicted hillbilly. I've noted that although I am severely disappointed in practical value that RTX represented, that at least they ARE gigantic, complicated designs with a lot of new tech to bring into the ecosystem. Little Navi so far, well at least it's more efficient than final gen GCN TF for TF and die space, but it feels like there's still a long way to go and it's a very transitory lineup. The new consoles have hardware RT and other rumored innovations, and reasonable accounts expect a corresponding RDNA2 Navi lineup to emerge for GPUs later this year, though early on perhaps just a flagship to begin.

Anyway, 5600XT manages to be just about as dull and uncompelling as the 2060 was well over a year ago. Is any marginal improvement over 'ehh' great? Not in my book, and just what the hell was their original plans with the previous clock speeds? To make a slower card that was going to be even crappier? Clearly this significant boost is safe enough and within spec, and they only gave us these crumbs because Nvidia price rumblings? Peh.

I'm sorry, but that's my viewpoint. I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in AMD or Nvidia for the state of things in GPUs, but they both seem keen to soak up the fat margins in this new normal. They're both way too comfortable with this busted market.
 

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The major plus for AMD is with GPU prices so high it makes their monopoly on the consoles (PS5 and XBox) that much more attractive.

I mean, I might actually buy a console for the first time since the NES because I expect it to be very good.
 
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For so many people upset over this release, why not just buy a 2060? I mean they've been out forever already, and you pay just a little more? I can't believe we're arguing about power consumption in this day and age when we o/c the hell out of everything.

Why even be upset over this release? The cards problems are entirely related to software problems across the Navi line-up, the card itself is fine and AMD didn't really have a lot of options when NV dropped the 2060 to $300-ish.

Can't drop the price much further without stalling out the already DOA 8gb 5500's, can't up performance much more before it's just a 5700...

It's a fine launch, every issue with the card are problems intrinsic to the entire AMD line-up
 
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One- off issue?
Quickly fixed?
You are out of touch with reality.
The space invaders was wide spread. A web search gives you even more results.

I still have RTX 2070s waiting to be replaced, it has taken months, so yeah, a "one-off issue" and "quickly fixed"...
GN did a video on this and the conclusion was that defect rates weren't any higher than normal RMA rates.

Anyway why are you conflating an issue with manufacturing with a driver issue? AMD's driver issues with Navi are an ongoing matter for six months and counting.
 

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Then its time to pull their enthusiasts cards.

Flashing a Video bios is not really different from flashing a motherboard bios.

If you don't trust yourself to flash a bios you are just a person that plays games on a PC not an enthusiasts.
Well you've described the majority of PC gamers - how many of them even flash their motherboard BIOS, let alone that of their video card?
 
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