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From early reviews it seems like the 5600XT and Nvidia 2060 are basically tied both in performance and power consumption although GN's 12V rail power numbers and Anandtech's system power numbers don't agree, not sure why that is.
 
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lobz

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Assuming it's ok enough with drivers, the 5700 indeed seems way smarter than either the 2060 or 5600XT.

Honestly the 2060 and 5600XT are both so thoroughly mediocre and IMHO overpriced for what you get that I can't understand the value in bickering between them. ~$300 is too much money for a 6GB card heading into 2020.

Also, comparing various 5600XTs to 'The 2060' is an exercise in misplaced total importance in number because so many things can vary these equations. 'The 2060' is bone stock OG, as the FE was a 1680Mhz SKU with 14gbps memory. Looking at the models which you can actually buy these days, most of them are AIBs that exceed the stock 2060FE performance to various degrees, so twiddling over 2% here or 4% there doesn't mean a lot in general. Given the random match of brand X 5600XT and brand Z 2060 AIB, it's probably a coin flip as to which is faster. Micro Center here just had the EVGA 2060 KO @ 1755Mhz and improved cooling for $299, though it along with the 5600XT show as 'sold out', so that's academic I suppose.

In every respect other than very specific circumstances or concerns (far be it from me to judge someone who had a bad experience that colors their perspective), I believe the better buys are either to go used Pascal/Vega, or go bigger and start at the 2060S or 5700, and the 5700 price is hard to ignore, should you find one under the $350 mark, it's hands down better than the 2060 and 5600 6GB, and better still if you're of a mind to flash to a custom VBios to gain access to greater power and clock potential.

I totally understand why many are underwhelmed by the 5600XT. Yes, it's marginally better value at $299 than most 2060s (which as noted, if AIB may well be faster still), but let's be brutally honest here. The RTX lineup was a complete stall in price/perf even months after release, and arguably an actual decline in price/perf over Pascal if you bought at the right times, and with LESS memory in some pricing tiers. Eg; 1070ti was under $370 in June of 2018, and seems to be roughly equal to a typical 2060, albeit with 8GB vs 6GB. The 2060s were $350 and up, so pretty close to zero movement there other than losing 2GB of Vram. Even if you bought a 1070ti in late 2017 at MSRP, you didn't spend very much at all, yet had a great card that entire time that couldn't decisively be upgraded by anything short of a 2070 at $499, and to any degree you'd much notice would demand a 2080 at an eye watering $799(FE), then $699 (AIB). It got worse up the chain. A decent GTX 1080 model would need to be replaced by at least a 2080 to be noticable, as a good model 1080 11Gbit like a Strix or Aorus is totally in the range of 2070 performance, and again : same 8GB total memory. Bummer, because even to get the roughly equal 2070 means the same price range you could have bought a dang 1080 for in freaking 2016. Oh, and then the worst part, 1080ti owners, most of which own premium (better than base clocks) variants. What could they buy? The 2070 was slower, so nope. The 2080 was so close as to be indistinguishable and was DOWN 3GB for the ride, so nope. Yep, you know it : the $1199 (if you were lucky that is) 2080ti. ~35% faster, for MORE than 35% more expensive than a 1080ti @ $699. No VRAM upgrade, about the only thing you could call a value add is that eventually RTX got along far enough to be both usable and interesting in a miniscule number of titles. Oh, and extremely scary risk of space Invaders ram failure, whee.

The 'Supers' vaguely improved things by sometimes moving OG 20XX down a few bucks and offering closer (but not 'great') to the price/perf RTX should have launched at to begin with.

So you see, GPU value has been stalled for years barring a handful of deals and specials. RTX didn't even have to be so disappointing. The 2060 could have launched with 8GB @ $299, the 2070 with 8GB at $399, the "2080" with perhaps 12GB at $549, and the "2080ti" with 16GB or so at $899. People would have been happy overall with that. RTX has been out for ages now, and we're not even approaching the prices and value they should have presented from the start.

And what has AMD GPU division done? Certainly not what their CPU division has been up to with the whole kicking butts and dominating. Nope, instead middling products that mostly skirt OLD Nvidia products (as well as their own legacy stuff!) in terms of value and performance. The sketchy Vega 7 on 7nm was a power hog that fell on its face in the weirdest ways, and at best was a 1080ti general equal, only YEARS late and at the same MSRP, hoo boy. 5700/5700XT came out, and were 'okay', mostly a plug in to existing value with no disruption. 5500 came out as every bit the craven greedy move that the 1650 represented : not necessarily a bad product, but BADLY priced. Coming from 2016, you'd expect to see something like that tier at $149 max for the 5500, and the 1650 makes sense around $99-$109ish.

Come full circle to the 5600XT, and yaaaay, another product that basically plugs in to the existing paradigm of stagnation. Single digits separate it at best in most categories vs a virtual antique from the competition, yet it is indeed missing hardware RT, and at 7nm it can only swap blows with the 12nm 2060 complete with a generous amount of questionably useful RT and Tensor transistors fattening it up like a twinkie and ho-ho addicted hillbilly. I've noted that although I am severely disappointed in practical value that RTX represented, that at least they ARE gigantic, complicated designs with a lot of new tech to bring into the ecosystem. Little Navi so far, well at least it's more efficient than final gen GCN TF for TF and die space, but it feels like there's still a long way to go and it's a very transitory lineup. The new consoles have hardware RT and other rumored innovations, and reasonable accounts expect a corresponding RDNA2 Navi lineup to emerge for GPUs later this year, though early on perhaps just a flagship to begin.

Anyway, 5600XT manages to be just about as dull and uncompelling as the 2060 was well over a year ago. Is any marginal improvement over 'ehh' great? Not in my book, and just what the hell was their original plans with the previous clock speeds? To make a slower card that was going to be even crappier? Clearly this significant boost is safe enough and within spec, and they only gave us these crumbs because Nvidia price rumblings? Peh.

I'm sorry, but that's my viewpoint. I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in AMD or Nvidia for the state of things in GPUs, but they both seem keen to soak up the fat margins in this new normal. They're both way too comfortable with this busted market.
That's exactly why I wrote that. Even Amazon has 5700s for $329 right now, which makes the 2060 totally pointless now, even a $279 5600XT is a hard sell, but $50 is a big enough difference, compared to the (at best) $299 'new' 2060 price. Still I'd never buy a 2060 when the 5700 is so cheap, and 2060S is really just a very dumb buy compared to the 5700XT.
All that being said, I'm not a big fan of the 5600XT either, but at least it's 'fine', unlike the 5500XT which should not even exist, just in mobile.
 

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I mean, I might actually buy a console for the first time since the NES because I expect it to be very good.

Same here, I normally couldn't care less about consoles but the value proposition of PC hardware is so out of whack these days that it's hard to justify the additional costs over whatever the PS5/XSX would cost.
 
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The major plus for AMD is with GPU prices so high it makes their monopoly on the consoles (PS5 and XBox) that much more attractive.

I mean, I might actually buy a console for the first time since the NES because I expect it to be very good.

PC gaming is a hard sell right now when PS5 is rumored to have an RX 5700 XT level gpu in it, and then XBox Series X something 30% more powerful than that at $500 and $600. Really hard to convince myself it's worth spending $400 just for baseline console parity.

I'm really curious to hear if this actually holds up when Sony officially reveals the system, which is rumored to be some time next month. They revealed PS4 and all its specs in February 2013 even though that was a pretty crap system hardware wise. One thing that gives me pause about getting PS5 at launch though is whether devs are going to try to double dip on their PS4 games on PS5. That would be pretty crappy if say Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't get a patch to run at 60 fps on the Ryzen 2 octacore in the PS5 and instead they try to sell a PS5 remaster. From leaks it looks like the PS5 will have modes to downclock and disable gpu cores to emulate the base PS4 and the PS4 Pro's gpus in compatibility mode, but I hope that's only a solution for old games that it would make little financial sense to patch for PS5. And PS5 and XBox Series X will likely have lousy launch titles since basically only Nintendo ever launches with first rate games. So the ability to play the big 2020 games the way they would on a 5700 XT + Ryzen 7 cpu would be one of the big selling points of PS5 to me.
 
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Tbh it looks ok - with the last minute bios switch the partner cards look pretty quick, price is fine, power/noise/etc is fine. It's low enough down the stack that lacking ray tracing doesn't really matter. It's just a matter of drivers which going by previous history should start to work better soonish - Vega was the same (dodgy drivers for a year but ok in the end).

Would I buy one - no, I'd probably go 1660 Super if I wanted a cheaper card as that's fine for 1080p gaming, or save up and buy something with ray tracing if I was going to spend more - but if you like AMD then it's a decent buy. It's 2020 now so the temptation is to wait for Amphere which is going to appear at some point.
 

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Tbh it looks ok - with the last minute bios switch the partner cards look pretty quick, price is fine, power/noise/etc is fine. It's low enough down the stack that lacking ray tracing doesn't really matter. It's just a matter of drivers which going by previous history should start to work better soonish - Vega was the same (dodgy drivers for a year but ok in the end).

Would I buy one - no, I'd probably go 1660 Super if I wanted a cheaper card as that's fine for 1080p gaming, or save up and buy something with ray tracing if I was going to spend more - but if you like AMD then it's a decent buy. It's 2020 now so the temptation is to wait for Amphere which is going to appear at some point.
The AMD drivers issue has me a bit spooked at the moment.

Towards the end of this video from GN, they talk once again about how much trouble people keep running into.

I think I might buy a 1660 or 1660 Super(depending on what discounts are around) and wait till later this year to buy a more expensive card, whether that be Big Navi(I'm going to assume all driver issues will be fixed in 6 months time) or Nvidia's latest.

 

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If the main issue or reason for holding off is driver stability, that’s at least something that’s fixable.

The 6 GB is more concerning to me, but anyone intending to game at 1080p for the foreseeable future is probably fine.
 

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The AMD drivers issue has me a bit spooked at the moment.

Towards the end of this video from GN, they talk once again about how much trouble people keep running into.

I think I might buy a 1660 or 1660 Super(depending on what discounts are around) and wait till later this year to buy a more expensive card, whether that be Big Navi(I'm going to assume all driver issues will be fixed in 6 months time) or Nvidia's latest.
This Q & A at the 12:47 mark should give you an explanation of the driver issues and how to prevent them.

 

lobz

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If the main issue or reason for holding off is driver stability, that’s at least something that’s fixable.

The 6 GB is more concerning to me, but anyone intending to game at 1080p for the foreseeable future is probably fine.
Almost nobody brings that up when talking about the 2060/S and such.
 
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These middle of the road products might convince me to assemble something decent for dedicated 1080p Linux gaming... something I've wanted to do for awhile just haven't had the time. I've the OS on a number of machines in my small task force but none of them powerful enough for modern gaming.
 

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This Q & A at the 12:47 mark should give you an explanation of the driver issues and how to prevent them.


I'm seeing alot of 5700XT being sold used because of said drivers issues. May pick one up for a discounted price I can wait for drivers to be fixed. Or just used older drivers until they fix them.
 

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2060 is cheaper than 5600XT so 2060 is the card to get. But neither of them are actually any good as both are too expensive when you consider a PS5 will have more powerful graphics card+ cpu +ram+everything else for just $500. So in reality both these cards should be $200 max.
 
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Hitman928

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2060 is cheaper than 5600XT so 2060 is the card to get. But neither of them are actually any good as both are too expensive when you consider a PS5 will have more powerful graphics card+ cpu +ram+everything else for just $500. So in reality both these cards should be $200 max.

Where are you seeing a 2060 for cheaper than 5600XT? The cheapest I can find on Newegg is $320 and an out of stock listing on Amazon for $310.
 

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Outside US.
Just because you are in a country where AMD card prices are artificially pushed up, that does not represent 99% of the world. So let me fix your comment:
Where I live, 2060 is cheaper than 5600XT so 2060 is the card to get in this country. Thank you all for listening to my local market research report. But neither of them are actually any good as both are too expensive when you consider a PS5 will have more powerful graphics card+ cpu +ram+everything else for just $500. So in reality both these cards should be $200 max.
 
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The driver issues with the current drivers for the 5700 XT (and other Navi cards) are limited to a very limited number of setups. I for instance have had absolutely zero issues with my 5700 XT with my regular configuration (See my sig below for my system)

The issue can come in if you run multiple monitors. And even then its hit and miss (I have not had any issues running two displays).

Now 4-5 months ago, there was a lot more driver issues. But many of the issues have been resolved. And AMD has stated that they are committed to fixing the remaining issues as soon as they can.
 
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2060 is cheaper than 5600XT
No it isn't. MSRP $279 vs $299. I know you're posting from another country, but can you tell us what the MSRP is in your country? Just because a certain vendor or retailer has it listed at a higher price doesn't mean it's accurate or representative of anything other than a local bubble of the global economy.
 

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Just because you are in a country where AMD card prices are artificially pushed up, that does not represent 99% of the world.
I'd argue that AMD's situation with vendors keeping limited stock and not resupplying, thus driving up prices compared to the NVIDIA counterpart represents most of the world outside NA/EU.
 

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I'm seeing alot of 5700XT being sold used because of said drivers issues. May pick one up for a discounted price I can wait for drivers to be fixed. Or just used older drivers until they fix them.
I've had an RX 5700 (XFX reference blower model), and honestly, the drivers have only been getting better and better. There was a bit of a speed-bump with the Adrenaline 2020 drivers early versions, but version 20.1.1 is fairly solid now. At least, they seem to have gotten their Compute issues mostly straightened out. (Supposedly)

That said, I've had (temporary) "Space Invaders" while watching YT @ 4K UHD full-screen, WHILE mining in the background, and temps were probably fairly elevated, WHILE ALSO OVERCLOCKING THE VRAM a little bit.

So, maybe overclocking these is a bad idea. Other than that, and other than early driver versions, it's been pretty decent for me.
 

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the argument that I'm seeing over and over about RT on the 2060 not being relevant because the card isn't that fast.... hmmm it's not that simple, on the current RT titles it's possible to get the effects and good performance out of the 2060 at 1080P at least, sure you can't push it all that high in resolution and some settings have to be kept in check, it's a compromise... but... isn't running a game that supports RT without RT a even more significant compromise in the first place? it sure looks like it to me at this point, I was skeptic of RT but the implementation in some of the games is very convincing, and all the new consoles are adopting hardware RT, it's the way forward.

now it's true that not that many games support it right now.
and you can't really say how well this first gen RT and a 6GB card is going to age, but...

with the $300 2060 price, if it's a reality, I just think that the 5600xt should bring more to compete, given it lacks RT, the non OC new bios version is clearly slower, it has the same compromised vram configuration, and going by the user comments Navi still lacks the driver stability one would expect....

I miss aggressive "ATI"/AMD in the GPU space.
 

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I'm seeing alot of 5700XT being sold used because of said drivers issues. May pick one up for a discounted price I can wait for drivers to be fixed. Or just used older drivers until they fix them.
I don't know if you listened or saw the video, but in the video they both said that had ZERO issues.
 
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