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Leeea

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If evil is real than surely you can tell me what it is.
Church Molestation Insurance. Knowingly discarding collective responsibility. Evil.
-> logical people implement 2x adult programs, do training, and keep the safety of children in mind.
-> yes, I am a churchy type, and yes we have children's programs. And no, we don't have a youth "pastor", those people are creepy.
-> I personally find children scary and stay away from them. Not my cup of tea.
-> we do not have church molestation insurance, the whole idea is unnecessary.
-> if we ever have an accusation incident, it is going to be one of the addicts or homeless people we deal with, and it is the same deal with them. Always multiple people, always never be alone with them, etc.


Drug dealers who don't care or worse. Evil. Pure Evil. Deal with what they leave behind for a week or so and say otherwise.


Your moonbeams are the gravitational eddies of a black hole pulling energy into its final state of mathematical singularity. Dead, cold, unchanging, final. Pulling everything around it into finality. Evil.
 
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Moonbeam

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Church Molestation Insurance. Knowingly discarding collective responsibility. Evil.
-> logical people implement 2x adult programs, do training, and keep the safety of children in mind.
-> yes, I am a churchy type, and yes we have children's programs. And no, we don't have a youth "pastor", those people are creepy.
-> I personally find children scary and stay away from them. Not my cup of tea.
-> we do not have church molestation insurance, the whole idea is unnecessary.
-> if we ever have an accusation incident, it is going to be one of the addicts or homeless people we deal with, and it is the same deal with them. Always multiple people, always never be alone with them, etc.


Drug dealers who don't care or worse. Evil. Pure Evil. Deal with what they leave behind for a week or so and say otherwise.


Your moonbeams are the gravitational eddies of a black hole pulling energy into its final state of mathematical singularity. Dead, cold, unchanging, final. Pulling everything around it into finality. Evil.
The kingdom of heaven is within you and the door to it is opened by crucifixion. Isn’t that what your religion teaches?


1. The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.
 
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Leeea

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The kingdom of heaven is within you and the door to it is opened by crucifixion. Isn’t that what your religion teaches?


1. The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.
um, no.

Do you really think that God or Goddess would in her infinite majesty create us in her own image so we can be a bunch of pathetic sheep unable to help ourselves?

Do you think the Goddess would even want to constantly take a rod to us? To guide us? Does that sound like a healthy relationship to you?

Do you think that Yeshua died on the cross in redemption of our sin, or in solidarity of human suffering?

Do you seriously think that Christianity is the only way to the Goddess?


If we choose to be with God, or not be with God, because forgiveness is a gift freely given to us all, the only judgement that matters is our own. We judge if we want to be with God. We judge if we want to be separate. We also create our own hell if that is what we want, it happens quite a lot if you think about it. We have free will. That is the Goddess's gift to us.


*God, Goddess, infinite majesty, and all the genders in-between. Infinite implies all genders, even if our finite mind has difficulty comprehending.
 
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Moonbeam

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Do you think the Goddess would even want to constantly take a rod to us? To guide us? Does that sound like a healthy relationship to you?
even if our finite mind has difficulty comprehending.
I'm going with you are having difficulty comprehending who the rod and the staff were meant for. It surely wasn't to beat the shepherd or the sheep. And I figured you for the believer. I am not a Christian.
 

Leeea

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I'm going with you are having difficulty comprehending who the rod and the staff were meant for. It surely wasn't to beat the shepherd or the sheep. And I figured you for the believer. I am not a Christian.
Well, your the one who is telling me what I believe.

That is classic evangelical.

You even opened with Hipponian original sin / crucifixion theology developed by Saint Augustine around 300 AD, which has no biblical basis but for some reason is excessively popular with evangelicals. Probably because Luther loved it.

Of course Luther also wanted to toss the book of Saint James because it contradicted Saint Paul's books of hate. Luther was able to make sure the book of Ester that made it into the protestant version of the bible had her relationship with God cut out because women just couldn't have such a thing. There is a reason the Catholic/Anglican/Orthodox/Armenian/Ethiopian version is a 1/3 longer.

Is this the first time you learned that the various Christian traditions each have there own version of the bible? With a lot more tradition, history, and knowledge behind what to include and not include? The Orthodox for example took one look at the book of revelations and said nope.

But hey, keep letting other people tell you all Christians are the same robotic sheep, and then telling people what they believe.

Propagate that hate and ignorance. You clearly know everything there is to know about Christianity.
 
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nakedfrog

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I want this movie on blu ray so bad, but the price is just re-donk
Rumor has it that there's a 4K version on the YT and yt-dlp may be able to make it yours. Or something, I don't know, many people are saying it, so it's probably a lie.
 
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Rumor has it that there's a 4K version on the YT and yt-dlp may be able to make it yours. Or something, I don't know, many people are saying it, so it's probably a lie.

That's cool. It's weird to me that when a person, people, or .org know a movie is in demand, then it's potentially intentionally withheld from market. Stuff like that is why piracy is still a thing.

Edit: not that I care really, it's just dumb. And some of the crap they push out isn't that good anyways.
 
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WelshBloke

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That's cool. It's weird to me that when a person, people, or .org know a movie is in demand, then it's potentially intentionally withheld from market. Stuff like that is why piracy is still a thing.

Edit: not that I care really, it's just dumb. And some of the crap they push out isn't that good anyways.
Piracy was really popular partly because stuff was hard to get. Then along came Steam and Netflix and you could get everything without leaving your house.
Now there's a bunch of different streaming services all with different content on, all with monthly fees, and people are surprised that piracy is becoming popular again!
 

Moonbeam

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Well, your the one who is telling me what I believe.

That is classic evangelical.

You even opened with Hipponian original sin / crucifixion theology developed by Saint Augustine around 300 AD, which has no biblical basis but for some reason is excessively popular with evangelicals. Probably because Luther loved it.

Of course Luther also wanted to toss the book of Saint James because it contradicted Saint Paul's books of hate. Luther was able to make sure the book of Ester that made it into the protestant version of the bible had her relationship with God cut out because women just couldn't have such a thing. There is a reason the Catholic/Anglican/Orthodox/Armenian/Ethiopian version is a 1/3 longer.

Is this the first time you learned that the various Christian traditions each have there own version of the bible? With a lot more tradition, history, and knowledge behind what to include and not include? The Orthodox for example took one look at the book of revelations and said nope.

But hey, keep letting other people tell you all Christians are the same robotic sheep, and then telling people what they believe.

Propagate that hate and ignorance. You clearly know everything there is to know about Christianity.
I know nothing. I do not know any of the things you do. AlI can offer you is my ignorance, my lack of belief. But you seem to believe there is a divine source that is ultimate goodness and love so I ask myself how could such a being be real if there is such a thing as evil. If such a being exist than all there is is love. Perfection admits to no opposites. Also there is nothing other than the will of God.

So tell me where could evil come from. My ignorance has left me with the certainty that everything could not be otherwise than perfect unless, of course, love is not real.

You speak of a being beyond human comprehension and then talk about free will, to judge to be separate or not. How can that be anything but arrogance. If you know you do not know, knowledge of God, how could it be by choice. Does it not come only by Grace?
 

Moonbeam

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Not r'lyeh.
True, because names are definitional, they differentiate one thing from another. As soon as something is given a name an unconscious assumption forms that when the word is used you know what you are talking about. This amounts to the fact that there are not only as many gods as there are names, every one that goes by the same name is actually different depending on what the speaker thinks god is. In my opinion god is an experience one can have and only in a god conscious state of awareness. So you should easily see that if there is such a thing as a god conscious state of awareness, some sort of awakening perhaps, then telling someone else there is such a state is useless. Words about a state of awareness can't create such a state even if it does exist or is possible to experience.

Cthluhu is a word evoked to create an implication that reveals an inner feeling. Rather than waste one's time trying to understand who Cthuhu is why not look to the motivation from which it was expressed. I'm betting it's contempt for religion but I could be wrong,
 

BurnItDwn

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True, because names are definitional, they differentiate one thing from another. As soon as something is given a name an unconscious assumption forms that when the word is used you know what you are talking about. This amounts to the fact that there are not only as many gods as there are names, every one that goes by the same name is actually different depending on what the speaker thinks god is. In my opinion god is an experience one can have and only in a god conscious state of awareness. So you should easily see that if there is such a thing as a god conscious state of awareness, some sort of awakening perhaps, then telling someone else there is such a state is useless. Words about a state of awareness can't create such a state even if it does exist or is possible to experience.

Cthluhu is a word evoked to create an implication that reveals an inner feeling. Rather than waste one's time trying to understand who Cthuhu is why not look to the motivation from which it was expressed. I'm betting it's contempt for religion but I could be wrong,

When I see the phrase "beyond human comprehension", The Call of Cthulhu comes to mind. I guess i did a little laugh and thought it was funny.
I don't necessarily have contempt for all religion so much as contempt for all of the supernatural claims of religion that have been rescinded ad Infinium over the millenia.
 

Moonbeam

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When I see the phrase "beyond human comprehension", The Call of Cthulhu comes to mind. I guess i did a little laugh and thought it was funny.
I don't necessarily have contempt for all religion so much as contempt for all of the supernatural claims of religion that have been rescinded ad Infinium over the millenia.
I appreciate your comment. I felt a certain contempt for religion in your post. I think also, there is a lot about the way religion is practiced that is worthy of it. The level of hypocrisy we witness almost defies comprehension not to mention the absurdity of some of the dogma.

On the other hand and for seekers of truth, I feel there is much there that offers a way up.

For the self haters, as an example, it can be a blessing to being presented with the notion of God's love, that we have been forgiven. I wish I believed that to my core. Introspection tells me I do not and my inability to hold a blind faith closes that road for me. I defend religion where I can, the psychological potential it holds for healing, to reject the cynicism of non-believers that they not rob those who can believe of that opportunity.

I see in many a sort of destructive envy that someone else might find comfort in what they themselves cannot.
 
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akugami

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Piracy was really popular partly because stuff was hard to get. Then along came Steam and Netflix and you could get everything without leaving your house.
Now there's a bunch of different streaming services all with different content on, all with monthly fees, and people are surprised that piracy is becoming popular again!

It's a good thing porn is still free, whether at Porn Hub or at your local church.
 

Leeea

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I know nothing. I do not know any of the things you do. AlI can offer you is my ignorance, my lack of belief. But you seem to believe there is a divine source that is ultimate goodness and love so I ask myself how could such a being be real if there is such a thing as evil. If such a being exist than all there is is love. Perfection admits to no opposites. Also there is nothing other than the will of God.

So tell me where could evil come from. My ignorance has left me with the certainty that everything could not be otherwise than perfect unless, of course, love is not real.

You speak of a being beyond human comprehension and then talk about free will, to judge to be separate or not. How can that be anything but arrogance. If you know you do not know, knowledge of God, how could it be by choice. Does it not come only by Grace?
-grumbles-
You seem to make assumptions about what I believe. I very much suspect your trolling me, but I always tend to take the bait.

If we create something, we can to a certain extent see our selves in our creation. When a another person sees our creation, they both see us in our creation, but themselves also because their own perspective effects how they view it. When another person lives in our creation, they become intimately familiar with said creation, both its success and failure. When another person is our creation, well, certain responsibilities are expected?

And by those standards, well, the Goddess certainly is not as you say, "a divine source that is ultimate goodness and love", now is she? Certain responsibilities have gone unfulfilled?


I had trouble with this for a long time. The universe hated* me, life was a brutal struggle, and for me, it would have been better if I was never born. But then I had a realization one day. I was not the normal.

Most people treasure their life. They would rather have it then not. Get out of the first world and move into the 3rd and they value it more, not less. They enjoy their lives. For most, creation is more Good then Evil.


The Goddess gave us free will. She had to in order for our choice to be one with her to mean anything at all. This means she is not the wonderful font of love joy and goodness, because she gave us the ability to choose evil, darkness, and death. The universe that is the Goddess is entropic, which means there is not enough to go around. Some people will feel compelled to make cold choices so their children will make it. Is that evil? Perhaps more grey.

So to answer your first question:
But you seem to believe there is a divine source that is ultimate goodness and love so I ask myself how could such a being be real if there is such a thing as evil.
No.

But their is what is grey, and there is what is Evil. In giving us free will, some have choose to indulge into darkness intentionally for their own selfish fulfillment. That is Evil. Others have chosen to indulge in darkness intentionally for the unnecessary fulfillment of others. That is also evil.

For the self haters, as an example, it can be a blessing to being presented with the notion of God's love, that we have been forgiven.
Self hatred is likely best dealt with by a professional mental health provider utilizing secular scientific techniques. The Goddess gave us many gifts, it would be a sin to waste what we have learned through the gifts of observation, science, and learning.

Faith is not going to solve severe mental health issues, that is not what it is for. I suggest a psychiatrist*.

You speak of a being beyond human comprehension and then talk about free will, to judge to be separate or not. How can that be anything but arrogance. If you know you do not know, knowledge of God, how could it be by choice. Does it not come only by Grace?

Free will is a gift of the Goddess. A deliberate choice on her part to limit her power. A deliberate choice to limit her knowledge. Respect for both our right to choose, and respect for our right to have our own thoughts.

A parent has the ability to limit everything their child does, but they give the child as much freedom as they can so they will grow up as an adult. Overly micromanaging a child results in an adult incapable of making its own decisions. Constantly monitoring a child will result in an adult that never learned to think about the consquence of its actions.

We are free for a reason. Without freedom, we would just be sheep.

Does it not come only by Grace?
The Goddess offers her Grace freely, we choose to embrace her Grace by our own free will.

My tradition uses the sacraments as a vechile for embracing her Grace. Other traditions have their own way.

Reguardless, it is I who chooses to embrace the Goddess freely offers. The Goddess freely offers her Grace to all.


I do not need to understand the infinite to understand certain truths.



*I no longer hate myself. And I suspect my psychatrist had more to do with it then anything.
 
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Moonbeam

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-grumbles-
You seem to make assumptions about what I believe. I very much suspect your trolling me, but I always tend to take the bait.
I made the assumption you are a believer based on what I saw in your posts. I saw also what appeared to me to be judgmentalism based on that belief, a belief in good and evil. I used to think that way but I discovered that no matter how I tried to proof there is a good logically to any skeptic that it was impossible to do. I could not prove it to myself and that was the end of my religious faith. Pointing that out, I think, must be what you call trolling.

What I see is that my words have evoked in you a negative reaction, a defensiveness, that my purpose is to attack you. I do not believe that to be the case. Because apparently you do I will end this conversation.
If we create something, we can to a certain extent see our selves in our creation. When a another person sees our creation, they both see us in our creation, but themselves also because their own perspective effects out they view it. When another person lives in our creation, they become intimately familiar with said creation, both its success and failure. When another person is our creation, well, certain responsibilities are expected?

And by those standards, well, the Goddess certainly is not as you say, "a divine source that is ultimate goodness and love", now is she? Certain responsibilities have gone unfulfilled?


I had trouble with this for a long time. The universe hates me, life was a brutal struggle, and for me, it would have been better if I was never born. But then I had a realization one day. I was not the normal.

Most people treasure their life. They would rather have it then not. Get out of the first world and move into the 3rd and they value it more, not less. They enjoy their lives. For most, creation is more Good then Evil.


The Goddess gave us free will. She had to in order for our choice to be one with her to mean anything at all. This means she is not the wonderful font of love joy and goodness, because she gave us the ability to choose evil, darkness, and death. The universe that is the Goddess is entropic, which means there is not enough to go around. Some people will feel compelled to make cold choices so their children will make it. Is that evil? Perhaps more grey.

So to answer your first question:

No.

But their is what is grey, and there is what is Evil. In giving us free will, some have choose to indulge into darkness intentionally for their own selfish fullfillment. That is Evil. Others have choosen to indulge in darkness intentionally for the unnessecary fullfillment of others. That is also evil.
It is my opinion creation is not what the Goddess intended at all.

However, a disaster may still be loved, and given forgiveness and redemption, freely.



Free will is a gift of the Goddess. A deliberate choice on her part to limit her power. A deliberate choice to limit her knowledge. Respect for both our right to choose, and respect for our right to have our own thoughts.

A parent has the ability to limit everything their child does, but they give the child as much freedom as they can so they will grow up as an adult. Overly micromanaging a child results in an adult incapable of making its down decisions. Constantly monitoring a child will result in an adult that never learned to think about the consquence of its actions.

We are free for a reason. Without freedom, we would just be sheep.


The Goddess offers her Grace freely, we choose to embrace her Grace by our own free will

My tradition uses the sacraments as a vechile for embracing her Grace. Other traditions have their own way.

Reguardless, it is I who chooses to embrace the Goddess freely offers. The Goddess freely offers her Grace to all.


I do not need to understand the infinite to understand certain truths.
I think that how I read this is that you found a way to sustain a religious faith not open to me because I can't support the ideas it takes as facts logically. I would not be able to prove anything you say. But I have no problem with a placebo that restores a person to health. I would only add that health so created is real and can be had in ways that do not require any form of belief. There is one truth and it covers us all, The path is unimportant if it leads to the joy of being. That is what I wished to say.
 
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