I feel the same way with the ubiquity of reasonably good upscaling techniques.
"What is this optimization you speak of? We added support for DLSS5/FSR4, it's optimized."
Completely agree up until this sentence. I will be surprised Pikachu if they redirect time to other aspects. Publishers will simply use it to pressure the devs to shovel more out faster. Increasing profits, which is all they care about. /Cynical Man speaks.
Exactly. Money will drive the decisions. I am not saying we won't get a masterpiece here and there, but the rest will be paint by numbers, if you will.I feel the same way with the ubiquity of reasonably good upscaling techniques.
"What is this optimization you speak of? We added support for DLSS5/FSR4, it's optimized."
I find myself agreeing with you on that. I am turning into a cynic. Dang. Was hoping to avoid that.Completely agree up until this sentence. I will be surprised Pikachu if they redirect time to other aspects. Publishers will simply use it to pressure the devs to shovel more out faster. Increasing profits, which is all they care about. /Cynical Man speaks.
I find myself agreeing with you on that. I am turning into a cynic. Dang. Was hoping to avoid that.
Exactly. Money will drive the decisions. I am not saying we won't get a masterpiece here and there, but the rest will be paint by numbers, if you will.
I will say that as someone concerned with our energy future, at least in the short term while we continue to rely on fossil fuels like primitives. That I'd prefer lower powered hardware with frame generation over continuing to make bigger and more power hungry cards. Which also use more raw materials and thus are likely to have a higher cradle to grave energy cost.
Our crowd is a small one. Pixel peeping is the norm. I don't think that extends to most gamers.
My son and his friends while in high school were heavy into some pixel art games like Terraria. Before that Minecraft ruled. They don't care much about photo realism, they want to play fun games. Look how popular Cuphead became using hand drawn old school animation. None of which needs ray tracing to sell like crazy. That ray tracing in Minecraft is one of the best implementations of it IMO, is sort of comical. My hot take, is ray tracing as a faster and cheaper production tool is what will drive it forward successfully. Not the visuals themselves; almost no one to this point cares. Because gameplay will always be more important, to the point that as cited, pixel art and cartoons are perfectly acceptable as long as the game is a blast. Meanwhile a game that originally killed it on Playstation is getting roasted on PC because they tried to do too much for most people's system to handle. The refunds have been fast and furious, and the outcry deafening.
Sucks that John Carmack dropped out of the 3D engine race just when raytracing became relatively economical to use. I bet that he would have discovered some nifty trick to speed up his ID Engine RTX.In the early days of 3D gaming a good chunk of the effort was spend on designing game engines that are actually capable rendering realistic 3D environment, think of progression Wolfenstein>Doom>Duke Nuken 3D>Quake.
It's not the lighting, something else looks off, like a surface is overly reflective and has low res textures at the same time.But isn't this solved by the better lighting provided by this new RT?
If AAA developers don't find a way to usefully spend that extra money, they will turn into AA developers. In general, I see it as quite a good development if very good looking games can be made with a limited budget. That increases competition in the games market, which is good for us.Completely agree up until this sentence. I will be surprised Pikachu if they redirect time to other aspects. Publishers will simply use it to pressure the devs to shovel more out faster. Increasing profits, which is all they care about. /Cynical Man speaks.
I think that RT/path tracing exposes other limitations. For example, a real brick wall has actual depth, where the grouting is not at the same depth of the brick, but both the grouting and the brick itself also have a lot of depth changes/imperfections.It's not the lighting, something else looks off, like a surface is overly reflective and has low res textures at the same time.
Funny.The photo without RT seems to be the best in letting my eyes make everything out clearly. RT darkens everything. PT makes the scene look closer to no RT, at a huge fps loss.1080p High
1080p High + RT
1080p High + PT
Just amazes me how a 19 year old game was able to do water reflections. We've come all this way to barely improve much on that if at all.Does Cyberpunk do ripples when you step into puddles? That was all the rage when shaders were new (think Morrowind).
To me the two RT have far too flat water making it look unrealistic as water is rarely that mirror-like.
What you need to keep in mind about Cyberpunk is the game prioritizes first impressions over depth. People made fun of it over the poor immersion mechanics it shipped with (water segment here). Later patches improved things (another water segment here), to the point where we could say it's no longer embarrassed by other well done AAA titles.Does Cyberpunk do ripples when you step into puddles?
Yep, and in an age where games like minecraft are still massively popular and new games like Valheim have such huge success, gamers are still so easily hyped by slightly more realistic soft lighting, shadows and reflections. to the tune of spending thousands more on a new PC to be able to run it.Just amazes me how a 19 year old game was able to do water reflections. We've come all this way to barely improve much on that if at all.
We are almost 5yrs in and it's still a gimmick.I keep seeing poll after poll by various outlets, and few care about ray tracing or path tracing. GN just did one about path tracing and over half of respondents said don't care or no to playing Cyberpunk'd with it. 36% said they don't have the hardware. Only 16% yes. It is all the marketing machine pushing it because AMD is great for raster and cost less while offering more VRAM at most tiers.ray-tracing to me is still largely a gimmick. Not as big a gimmick as fake-res upscaler tech though.
I don't know if its more me or my generation but growing up with Atari and all through the 2D graphics era and early 3D era the sense of wonder from huge leaps of graphical advances has been gone for years.
Yep, and in an age where games like minecraft are still massively popular and new games like Valheim have such huge success, gamers are still so easily hyped by slightly more realistic soft lighting, shadows and reflections. to the tune of spending thousands more on a new PC to be able to run it.
Infectious hype reminds me of a twitch streamer I used to watch who was far from tech savvy and played mostly retro and indie games in 1080p, yet back when the Nvidia 3000 series hype started they put up a donation goal to buy a 3090...
Those pics are like night and day. Witcher 3 should be a poster child for RT!Witcher 3's implementation seems to have a bad reputation on the internet but I thought it was great, aside from the steep hw requirements and random crashes on my 7900xtx.