Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Mopetar]

Do you mean they will be low ? or high ? or something else ?

Clearly they're going to be out of this world. Why do you think they're in space 😆

 

[uzzi38]

Someone on Intel thread posted that Panther Lake will be 4+4+4, which sounds like a laptop chip. Not something that would challenge Zen 5 desktop.

It's not? Neither -H nor -U is 4+4+4 for the full product.

EDIT: oh you meant 4P + 4LP-E + 4Xe

 

[Ajay]

31 days and counting (well, if I counted right).

 

[Joe NYC]

It's not? Neither -H nor -U is 4+4+4 for the full product.

EDIT: oh you meant 4P + 4LP-E + 4Xe

Yes, I found the post in question I meant from by @Tigerick with both configurations.

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So it seems Intel may have a chip to compete with AMD notebook chips (in 2025) but I don't see anything on the horizon for desktop from Intel. Maybe @adroc_thurston could be right and Intel is out of the competition on desktop until 2026

 

[adroc_thurston]

Maybe @adroc_thurston could be right and Intel is out of the competition on desktop until 2026

Yeah you wait until NVL-S.
Seriously.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Mlid tripling down on Zen 5 performance.

 

[soresu]

I fear for Zen 5 sales.

Zen 5 is a CPU core µArch, not a product in of itself.

I imagine there will be plenty Turin server and Strix + Kraken APU sales even if Granite Ridge doesn't do so well for them.

 

[Markfw]

Mlid tripling down on Zen 5 performance.

Closed captioned unavailable. Can you give a brief summary please ?

 

[StefanR5R]

Can you give a brief summary please ?

Consider the source. Probably just useless noise.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

Even if only for laptops it seems underpowered to face Zen 5, even if Strix was to use Zen 4 cores it would still be challenging for Intel given that they seem to remove HT and also due to either the sheer amount of cores in Strix or the augmented IPC relatively to Zen 4 in Kraken.

A certain someone already said that Cougar isn't a big improvement/optimization over Lion. So indeed PTL won't compete with Strix/Kraken in ST and MT.

However, PTL is a much better fight than ARL-U or ARL-H. Honestly, I finally understood why Intel has been talking so much about it ahead of ARL and LNL. It's probably the sanest mobile design from Intel since TGL.

It reduces external dependency, bring RibbonFET and PowerVia efficiency for increased battery life and also finally brings back Intel Graphics to Intel Foundry.

It will fall short against Strix and Kraken and also AMD will have a year and half headstart over PTL. But PTL will be a decent product from what we know so far.

As I said, if I were Gelsinger, I would fast track PTL to come in Q3 25 at volume. Coming in volume at CES 26 will be a bad idea given it would have to fight against STX+1 and KRK+1.