Biden to announce relief by sea while Israel blocks land crossings.
Biden to announce relief by sea while Israel blocks land crossings.
One advantage of this approach is that it basically says to Israel, "try me, dickheads, I dare you".
I think it shows a lot of weakness.
Yea, that will definitely fix things. These are supposed to be our friends?
I was going to say the same. We look pathetic right now. Israel is just fucking with us and making us look extremely weak - America, beholden to radical religious ethnic cleansing maniacs.I think it shows a lot of weakness.
I was going to say the same. We look pathetic right now. Israel is just fucking with us and making us look extremely weak - America, beholden to radical religious ethnic cleansing maniacs.
Well I don't think any of us that see how pathetic and stupid we look are saying that not getting aid into Gaza is better than this solution, but it's just that this is atrocious.The US being largely unwilling to buck Israel is unfortunately not exactly breaking news at any point in the last 70 some years.
I don't like how it looks but getting aid to the Gazan people is more important than how it looks.
IMO at the end of the day America is trying to play both sides, ie. looking kind-of humanitarian while also $$$ arms sales to Israel. With those objectives in mind, it's not a bad move.
we give the Pentagon nearly a trillion a year?
Bear in mind I don't think America is generally doing the right thing with regard to Israel, and I can think of one reason why this particular act is a sign of weakness, but if you want to share your thoughts it tends to help with the discussion forum format
IMO at the end of the day America is trying to play both sides, ie. looking kind-of humanitarian while also $$$ arms sales to Israel. With those objectives in mind, it's not a bad move.
Whats incredulous is the US giving Israel 2000lb bombs which are total overkill for densely populated Gaza and kept on supplying them as the death toll climbed into the 10000s. The US would not even use 500lb bombs near civilian areas in Iraq. They KNOWINGLY were enabling Israels unfolding genocide. Biden should be hauled to the ICJ on that account.Given that we give Israel a good amount of aid and a lot of those weapons, the culpability of what they are doing falls on us. We can easily flex our muscles and make Israel do better and if not stop funding them.
I am deeply confused as to why we don't just open access via Egypt.The US being largely unwilling to buck Israel is unfortunately not exactly breaking news at any point in the last 70 some years.
I don't like how it looks but getting aid to the Gazan people is more important than how it looks.
How about America not play both sides
like the time they did this?
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they scared America soo much that they are getting billions of $ and arms every year
It's not playing both sides, it's wanting to look like it's playing both sides for domestic consumption. I'm not concerned with looks, people in Gaza are dying and the situation has been unfair for a long time. Given that we give Israel a good amount of aid and a lot of those weapons, the culpability of what they are doing falls on us. We can easily flex our muscles and make Israel do better and if not stop funding them.
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Whats incredulous is the US giving Israel 2000lb bombs
In its investigation, The New York Times noted that '2,000-pound bombs posed a pervasive threat to civilians seeking safety across south Gaza,' while also drawing attention to the U.S. supplying Israel with 'more than 5,000' such munitions...Is this a fact? Israel got them from somewhere no doubt, I'm just questioning where.
It's the USS Liberty that Israel attacked in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring 171 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentI have no idea what you are referencing here with that image, and as I indicated in my next post I am aware of the arms $$$.
It's the USS Liberty that Israel attacked in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring 171 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
wiki said:According to Israeli sources, at the start of the war on 5 June, General Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli Air Force (IAF) chief of staff informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American naval attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships. He asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from Israel's shore or at least inform Israel of their exact positions.[14][a]
American sources said that no inquiry about ships in the area was made until after the attack on Liberty. In a message sent from U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk to U.S. Ambassador Walworth Barbour in Tel Aviv, Israel, Rusk asked for "urgent confirmation" of Israel's statement. Barbour responded: "No request for info on U.S. ships operating off Sinai was made until after Liberty incident." Further, Barbour stated: "Had Israelis made such an inquiry it would have been forwarded immediately to the chief of naval operations and other high naval commands and repeated to dept [Department of State]."[15]
i was being sarcastic that after israel attacked it that the US then started to send them more money and arms, anywhich way you are right, it's not relevantIt's not particularly relevant, is it? It looks like a cock-up at the very least on the Israeli side and perhaps too on the American side.
E.g.:
My feeling is here: you're in someone else's war zone my dude; if you don't want to get fired upon, either communicate your location and intention and confirm that they've received such information or GTFO! Yes, Israel should also check their targets more thoroughly, but war is war and mistakes will be made.
I haven't read the full article but it does appear to be a cock-up situation.
In the context of the US's current plan to provide sea-based support for Gaza aid, if I were the US I'd be telling Israel where I'm going to be and if there's even a sniff of an Israeli threat then the US will engage it.
I think people misunderstood my earlier post to be an extension of US the-best-military ego / rattling the sabre, and I don't think the misunderstanding is an unreasonable one. I guess the tone I intended to convey was more along the lines of: while the US is happy to profit from Israel's military ambitions, the US is getting sick of Israel's genocidal BS and going to try and look morally a bit better in the history books than a plain enabler of Israel, so it heads over to the Mediterranean Sea and ensures that the aid actually gets to the people who need it without any more of Israel's "oopsy, I just gunned down a load of civilians *again*! Silly me!". I do wonder though what America would do if it takes the kind of pains (I described earlier in this post) to make sure Israel has no room for "mistakes" and still gets attacked by Israel; but perhaps that's the excuse that Biden is looking for to allow a fundamental shift in foreign policy with regard to Israel.
I realise that America has been at least involved (with dubious levels of necessity) in many recent-ish global conflicts and I wonder if people are riding on the bias that America's involvement by default will be an assertion of dominance (e.g. its reaction to 9/11), which I think needs to be examined. Perhaps this is a question needing a thread of its own... perhaps it's far too simple a question in which to summarise global politics. <shrugs>
In case you missed it from earlier post, it was not a cock up.It's not particularly relevant, is it? It looks like a cock-up at the very least on the Israeli side and perhaps too on the American side.
E.g.:
My feeling is here: you're in someone else's war zone my dude; if you don't want to get fired upon, either communicate your location and intention and confirm that they've received such information or GTFO! Yes, Israel should also check their targets more thoroughly, but war is war and mistakes will be made.
I haven't read the full article but it does appear to be a cock-up situation.
It's the USS Liberty that Israel attacked in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring 171 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
just saw this come through, jfc ~
5 Gazans killed when hit by airdropped US aid packages