Well that’s already going to happen. They’re not going to use the phone die for a laptop.Ok, let's put your theory in the core die, we have 3 different dies if based on your assumptions:
Samsung: Maintain two different SoC design.
- Exynos with RDNA for Android phone
- Exynos with Mali for WoA
- AMD ARM with RDNA for WoA
That’s on Arm as well if not primarily and they’d be glad to.Handle Mali graphics drivers.
AMD does have some semi-custom SoC with MS already yeah. They’re not interested in doing anything other than that.AMD: Design their own ARM SoC. TTM will be late. Provides drivers for Android AND WoA
???Conclusion: Samsung will be selling Galaxy Book with Mali graphics. Lose-lose Situation
This is so contrived it’s hilarious and has absolutely no relation to any recent reputable rumors.If based on my speculated situation, AMD and Samsung going to make deeper partnership like Qualcomm/Samsung:
Samsung: Maintain single die design and let AMD handles drivers development which is AMD's specialty.
- Exynos with RDNA for Android phone
- Exynos with RDNA for WoA (most likely same die as I explained)
- AMD ARM with RDNA for WoA (modification of E2500, different dies)
AMD: Fast to market. AMD just modify core CPU and fabbed at SF. Expand RDNA IP to Android and other WoA. Potential integration of 5G modem.
Conclusion: Samsung will be selling Galaxy Book with RDNA graphics. Win-Win Situation
So which scenario is making more business sense, hub?
If you are so confident with your Mali theory, then the upcoming Exynos SoC is not related to AMD ARM APU. Why not you start a thread dedicated to Samsung ARM SoC with Mali GPU? I am sure based on non-existence agreement and non-mentioning Mali should be great help. Go ahead, I am waiting...Well that’s already going to happen. They’re not going to use the phone die for a laptop.
That’s on Arm as well if not primarily and they’d be glad to.
AMD does have some semi-custom SoC with MS already yeah. They’re not interested in doing anything other than that.
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This is so contrived it’s hilarious and has absolutely no relation to any recent reputable rumors.
TBH Nvidia would probably be one of the best WoA entrants given that their GPU stack is mature and already optimized to by games.Nope.
You don't understand the difference between heroes and villains.
I hope margins for WoA laptops are so thin that the green company bothers not.AMD and Nvidia support for theirs WoA SoCs would light years ahead of anyone else.
AMD ARM APU.
Find a more appropriate GIF then.Nope.
You don't understand the difference between heroes and villains.
Is Qualcomm cooked?TBH Nvidia would probably be one of the best WoA entrants given that their GPU stack is mature and already optimized to by games.
AMD and Nvidia support for theirs WoA SoCs would light years ahead of anyone else.
You haven't read SemiAccurate or heard the rumor mill last year, have you🤭I hope margins for WoA laptops are so thin that the green company bothers not.
You have a semiaccurate subscription?You haven't read SemiAccurate or heard the rumor mill last year, have you🤭
I would prefer if they create pluggable stuff that you can just push in instead of having to worry about being careful not to bend or even break the connector.
The mobo power connectors are just plain crappy. They are so hard to plug in properly. Need to expend too much force and you are never sure if they went all in coz there's no audible click. Then removing them is even more of a pain and is guaranteed to give you a thumb ache unless you happen to have a small and very strong thumb.
Heatsinks are crazy large.
The M.2 connector while nice, NEEDS to be vertical instead of horizontal so you can easily have more M.2 slots rather than three or four slots taking up the entire bottom portion of an ATX mobo.
Modern GPUs need their own special compartment. Run a PCIe riser cable to that compartment and keep the GPU isolated so it gets its own airflow system instead of its dumped heat causing issues for CPU/RAM/M.2 sticks etc.
It's just awful that we still have a decades old design for cases that need to accommodate components with much higher heat output. I'm sorry if anyone gets offended but engineers are just plain dumb!
Ironically Mini ITX was created by VIA, a relatively minor CPU manufacturer vs Intel and AMD.a new standard to replace ATX/ITX
Intel did try to push BTX back in the day, but unfortunately it was tied to terrible Netburst CPUs.Unless everyone (Intel, AMD, major board makers, major case vendors) gets together and decides on a new standard to replace ATX/ITX that takes this into account it'll never happen. Even then Intel and AMD mostly don't care, because DIY is a tiny percentage of their overall sales. It only matters to board makers to the extent their sales are DIY vs white box PC vendors who can't afford to roll their own boards like a big OEM such as Dell can. Heck case vendors probably aren't all-in on DIY, they probably do custom runs for white box OEMs who want something better than the cheapest possible beige plastic tower.
I think we're likely stuck with what we got.
Yeah this is how I feel.TBH Nvidia would probably be one of the best WoA entrants given that their GPU stack is mature and already optimized to by games.
AMD and Nvidia support for theirs WoA SoCs would light years ahead of anyone else.
So the answer is yes-Yeah this is how I feel.
Qualcomm misplaced their cards. They had an opportunity to dominate with the WoA ecosystem. But they'll face an uphill battle against the titan Nvidia.Is Qualcomm cooked?
I don't think QCOM fumbled, as Snap X will arrive this year. But indeed they're arriving too late and they wonderfully misused the advantage the 8CX/7c SoCs had to create any goodwill and early software support.Qualcomm misplaced their cards. They had an opportunity to dominate with the WoA ecosystem. But they'll face an uphill battle against the titan Nvidia.
They fumbled around with 8cx chips, and the X Elite is arriving too late to the market.
They definitely fumbled. They could have taken their Falkor core back in 2017 and adapted it for laptops, and actually taken WoA seriously for the past 7 years. Instead they wasted years and years of exclusivity.I don't think QCOM fumbled, as Snap X will arrive this year. But indeed they're arriving too late and they wonderfully misused the advantage the 8CX/7c SoCs had to create any goodwill and early software support.
They'll need to work hard on both hardware and software.
But it really doesn't help their case that just as they're able to introduce their own high performance custom CPU core, Arm will also introduce a very high IPC core that both Nvidia and AMD will be able to leverage. So, the potential CPU advantage they would have might be null.
Yup. Adroc wasn't entirely wrong when he said that Qualcomm doesn't have the culture to compete in the PC segment.They definitely fumbled. They could have taken their Falkor core back in 2017 and adapted it for laptops, and actually taken WoA seriously for the past 7 years. Instead they wasted years and years of exclusivity.
It remains to be seen how good Cortex X5 is. The performance/IPC may be good, but the power consumption on the other hand...Arm will also introduce a very high IPC core that both Nvidia and AMD will be able to leverage. So, the potential CPU advantage they would have might be null.
Wrong answer! Pity Flametail won't be yer bestie for eva...I often have a subscription but I'm too cheap these days....
Yup. Adroc wasn't entirely wrong when he said that Qualcomm doesn't have the culture to compete in the PC segment.
Btw, was Falkor any good?
A friend of mine had one and shared with me. But he discontinued it after Charlie post/leak about the "Socket that QCOM lost" (AMD custom Arm APU ordered by MS + Nvidia and Mediatek gearing up to enter the WoA market, with Nvidia SoC on Intel 3).Btw, do you actually have a subscription to Semiaccurate ?
From what I recall it was slightly behind Skylake in per-core performance? Not bad for a first gen product in 2017, on TSMC 10nn. I wish things had played out differently!It was pretty good as a server core. I never ran one myself, but I talked to folk who did, and liked it. From what I've heard, it would not have particularly whelmed as a laptop core.