Not just here. The whole gaming community does not consider Apple to be a game company like Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. Look at the quality of these games that they make, and mobile gaming which is low poly/resolution, cash grabs.But people here don't consider mobile gaming to be "real" gaming so they don't count that revenue
Consoles are inexpensive mass market devices. The Mac Studio is... not.They need to make a console with the M Ultra chip...
[Realisation]
Oh wait, the Mac Studio exists...
And the irony is that the mobile gaming industry has more revenue than PC gaming + console gaming combined.They care for games just fine, in fact they are the biggest gaming company on the planet. But people here don't consider mobile gaming to be "real" gaming so they don't count that revenue, they only want to count PC and console and since Mac gaming is tiny and Apple doesn't have a console this mistaken belief that "Apple doesn't care much for games" persists.
I’m well aware of that first part, and every time this comes up some nagging guy says that line. But they’re not going to court the big PC gaming titles and studios even though their hardware is perfectly capable.They care for games just fine, in fact they are the biggest gaming company on the planet. But people here don't consider mobile gaming to be "real" gaming so they don't count that revenue, they only want to count PC and console and since Mac gaming is tiny and Apple doesn't have a console this mistaken belief that "Apple doesn't care much for games" persists.
I wouldn’t say they “care just fine”. They’re roughly speaking not hostile (though that’s debatable!).
Oh sure I realize this. But from a consumer POV it is what it is and it’s kind of a waste.I meant more that they care in the sense that they make a lot of money from it. They have the majority of the revenue in the sector that has a majority of all gaming revenue, so they're fine where they are. They probably don't see a point in trying to promote gaming on the Mac as a corporate strategy (that won't stop some at Apple from trying to make that happen, of course)
If they could grab 20% of the PC gaming market, or a quarter of the console gaming market, it wouldn't even be noticeable in their earnings statements. Apple probably makes more selling Air Pods than any PC or console gaming studio does in total profit.
YepWhen you're really big it takes something really big to move the needle, and I'm sure the Mac team knows what a huge uphill climb it would be trying to make gaming on the Mac a thing. It just isn't worth it, there are a hundred more worthwhile things they could put that effort into.
3394 is A78AE
The next Kirin processor for the Huawei Pura series: Kirin 9010.
3394 is A78AE
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I doubt Arm would accept this. And it would be stupid to let SW believe this is an A78AE. Did Huawei publish a list of core ID?Except it clearly isn't, in this case. The large cores in Kirin 9000S and variants are the Taishan cores built for the Kunpeng 930. (I'm pretty sure we already went over this when the 9000S came out, but I may be mixing it up with conversations I had elsewhere.)
It's just an ID collision.
I doubt Arm would accept this. And it would be stupid to let SW believe this is an A78AE. Did Huawei publish a list of core ID?
Edit: some sources are indeed talking of internally developped cores. That's really odd and silly to reuse existing ID. OTOH I'm not sure what would be the point of using an AE derivative unless the SoC is also targetting the automotive market.
Realistically they can use whatever they want that they already have access to as long as it is only sold in China or some country that trades positively with them.How is Huawei allowed to license ARM cores? Haven't they been sanctioned?
I believe Arm v9 designs were specifically made in cleanroom with no collaboration with anything US. Hence why they were able to license the new designs to Huawei. Huawei also already had license for everything up to Cortex A77, their own custom Arm cores and also (let's be honest here)Arm China who went rogue or whatever happened there.How is Huawei allowed to license ARM cores? Haven't they been sanctioned?
Chill down. I made it explicit I thought my find made little sense. If you paid attention you'd have noticed I'm not here to win arguments but to learn, so if you want to make it personal, go have a walk and find some other target.I don't know why we're rehashing this six months after 9000S's release. It's been well-known to be Taishan (specifically Taishan V120), not an ARM Ltd IP. Huawei has stated so outright and there's the little matter of it having SMT, which pretty categorically excludes A78's.
But sure. You do you. Believe it's an automotive A78 with SMT and SVE added if you like. I'm not your mother.
That's most likely what happened. More information here : https://consumer.huawei.com/za/comm...n-can-be-authorized-to-use-it/topicId_137513/I believe Arm v9 designs were specifically made in cleanroom with no collaboration with anything US.
I should have paid much more attention to the picture: the manufacturer ID is clearly stated as 72, not 65 as for Arm CPU. My bad 😑
The next Kirin processor for the Huawei Pura series: Kirin 9010.
Chill down. I made it explicit I thought my find made little sense. If you paid attention you'd have noticed I'm not here to win arguments but to learn, so if you want to make it personal, go have a walk and find some other target.
And if you want to discuss, you should have posted a link to sustain your claim as I did when I wrongly claimed it looked like A78AE. Quite disappointed with your childish attitude because you're one of the poster I most repect here.
I should have paid much more attention to the picture: the manufacturer ID is clearly stated as 72, not 65 as for Arm CPU. My bad 😑
Edit: too bad the feature list in the picture for the older core isn't complete. Does anyone know where a readable feature list for that older core is available? I don't expect it to have changed since the newer core is used with the same cores as the older SoC and having different architecture features would make thread migration more complex.
According to a quick Google search it is Taishan v120, roughly equivalent to Zen3 in Geekbench.You're right, of course. My apologies. I was needlessly confrontational. I'm underslept and having a bit of a rough week, but that's no excuse.
This is the best I've found.
In general, the characteristics of the core line up pretty well with what was roadmapped for Kunpeng 930 - notably SVE and SMT - so it's pretty clearly a Taishan. The really funky thing, I guess, is that it seems to be an ARMv8 core in a heterogeneous configuration with A510. I assume the A510 is operating at an ISA level equivalent to the Taishan. K9000S is a unique beast in a number of ways - it's an SVE1 design in a consumer SoC, and has SMT!
I also don't think the "big" and "mid" cores in the K9000S are actually different IP, despite the microarchitecture ID being different; I believe they're just different parameterizations of the same uarch. (I don't have strong evidence to support this at present beyond the basics - they seem to have the same featureset and Huawei wasn't known to have a smaller core in development.)
A one core score on Geekbench 6 Linux is here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5018728According to a quick Google search it is Taishan v120, roughly equivalent to Zen3 in Geekbench.
A one core score on Geekbench 6 Linux is here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5018728
The ID is 72 (ASCII 'H') 3330 as on the Twitter post forwarded by @Ghostsonplanets above for 9000s.
The 1 core / 2 threads MT score looks extremely good. Too good to be true? Or it might be an indication of a lot of enlarged/duplicated ressources.
He posted information about the new core micro architecture here: It seems it has about the same resources as Cortex-X3.
The next Kirin processor for the Huawei Pura series: Kirin 9010.
I want to see a 16 wide core this decade.
Any more details?A recent project has brought to my attention that TI makes a 13-wide core. Getting there...