Israel: We Are At War

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pcgeek11

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What I don't understand is why the protesters are making life hell for innocent Israeli students that have nothing to do with the Israel - Gaza War. They just want to attend their classes in peace.
 
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IronWing

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What I don't understand is why the protesters are making life hell for innocent Israeli students that have nothing to do with the Israel - Gaza War. They just want to attend their classes in peace.
Because right wing media told you protesters were doing this. It isn’t clear at all that it is a widespread problem.
 

Xcobra

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What I don't understand is why the protesters are making life hell for innocent Israeli students that have nothing to do with the Israel - Gaza War. They just want to attend their classes in peace.
Uuuuhhhhh, that's not what videos of these 'innocent Israeli students' going to classes 'peacefully' are showing, unfortunately for your propaganda.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
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Because right wing media told you protesters were doing this. It isn’t clear at all that it is a widespread problem.

No, I've seen the videos of harassment of Israeli Students on several campuses. Calling them Nazis and chants that Hitler didn't finish the job and so on.
I didn't say how "widespread" the issue is, but it is happening regardless of if you believe it or not.

They have a right to protest as long as they don't interfere with others rights such as refusing them access to classes, library, abusing them etc... As they say their rights end where someone else's rights begin.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Uuuuhhhhh, that's not what videos of these 'innocent Israeli students' going to classes 'peacefully' are showing, unfortunately for your propaganda.

Well in the cases I've seen most are due to Israeli students fighting back. Granted not all, but most. IMO

I too think Israel has been too heavy handed in Gaza. But chanting "we are Hamas", calling for wiping out Israel, and abusing innocent students that have no control over the war is stupid and uncalled for.

Now I'll stand by for the verbal abuse I know is coming.
 

GodisanAtheist

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No, I've seen the videos of harassment of Israeli Students on several campuses. Calling them Nazis and chants that Hitler didn't finish the job and so on.
I didn't say how "widespread" the issue is, but it is happening regardless of if you believe it or not.

They have a right to protest as long as they don't interfere with others rights such as refusing them access to classes, library, abusing them etc... As they say their rights end where someone else's rights begin.

-Sorry but immediately thought of this legendary takedown of a heckler by Bill Hicks

 

Moonbeam

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Cant generalize. Some young folks can be very sharp and more mature than older ppl. Ever seen grown up MAGATs making a convincing case about anything?

Let them discuss the Israel-Gaza conflict and see who falls short in their arguments or knowledge about it.
My comment was made in response to your generalization that some conservatives may see college kids that way. I do not consider myself to be a conservative but I see lots of college students as having little in the way of experientially derived common sense. And while I am profoundly opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza, indiscriminate and inapproprite violent student protest on American campuses against it, given the contemptous of Israel's response, is always something that can easily rear it's ugly head. Care is required, in my opinion, because the right will overestimate it's presence and the left may do the same in the opposite direction. Where passions run high objectivity tends to fly out the window. I think that tendency is ofset by the point of view that we are looking not at people with free will to do good or evil, but at programmed machines that have no autonomous agency.

The reason for this in my opinion is that people do not want to recognioze they have morivations of which they are not aware, protecting sacred cows that were inculcated long ago.
 

K1052

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Israeli right seems angry the ICC is probably going to indict Netanyahu for war crimes and they say it means they will not do a deal with Hamas when Netanyahu is saying through words and actions they aren't gonna do one anyway. So fuck em.

Israel needs to get rid of him because he's got no policy except staying in power.
 
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blankslate

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Somewhat surprised at this reporting.

The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel
After 50 years of failure to stop violence and terrorism against Palestinians by Jewish ultranationalists, lawlessness has become the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/...e_code=1.sU0.B4Uq.iI5r0Url3pwv&smid=url-share

after it is pretty much too late to stop what's the harm... besides most people don't read they watch all the cable news networks who are too busy slobbing Netanyahu's murder hardon.


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KMFJD

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saw this about the lead judge at the ICC trail


this prosecutor visited Israel after October 7th to meet the hostages' families and Israeli officials, and express his support. He was criticized by Palestinian groups for showing a repeated pro Israeli bias and turning down requests to meet with Palestinian victims of the occupation ever since he got the job three years ago
 

Shervan360

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White House’s Sullivan leaves Israel ‘disappointed’ after talks on Gaza war: Report​

‘Sullivan realizes that Netanyahu has no strategy to end the war on Gaza,’ Israeli public broadcaster KAN said, citing Israeli official​




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Biden is weak and the team is weaker than him.
Look, even America's ally, Israel does not take the Biden government seriously.
 

amenx

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Hope this will gain much traction in rest of MSM.

Norway, Ireland and Spain recognize Palestinian state; Israel condemns move​

LONDON — The Spanish, Irish and Norwegian governments announced Wednesday they would recognize a Palestinian state, saying there would be no peace in the Middle East without a nation for the Palestinians.

“In the midst of a war, with tens of thousands killed and injured, we must keep alive the only alternative that offers a political solution for Israelis and Palestinians alike: Two states, living side by side, in peace and security,” Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store said.

“There will be no peace in the Middle East without a two-state solution. There can be no two-state solution without a Palestinian state,” he added.

In response, Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz ordered the immediate recall of the Israeli ambassadors to Norway and Ireland. “I am sending a clear message today: Israel will not be complacent against those who undermine its sovereignty and endanger its security.”...

 

amenx

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This is the guy keeping N'Yahoo in power basically. Without him the govt would collapse.

Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's far-right national security minister, said Gaza should be under “full Israeli control” and populated with Jewish settlements, suggesting that he himself would move to the war-torn Palestinian enclave.

In an interview with Israeli news outlet Kikar HaShabbat, Ben Gvir said that “encouragement of voluntary emigration” of Palestinians from Gaza was the “last” and “most important step” in achieving Israel’s total occupation.


 
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