Israel: We Are At War

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we still taking israeli government for their word?

Some people who are trying to act like people calling out their lies are defending rape, weirdly are ignoring there's as much evidence that Israeli forces raped Palestinians.


So who exactly here is defending rape?

FYI, the claims being made by Israel now are based on the same bullshit that the NYTimes article is. Its the exact same sources, and we know those groups have already lied repeatedly and have yet to actually corroborate any of the claims (and the witnesses have often changed their stories, where it went from they saw a stabbing to having witnessed multiple gang rapes, then when pushed on it say they won't even talk about it any more - likely because they know the more they talk the more it just shows how full of shit they actually are). Its just that Israeli officials are repeating the bullshit that these spokespeople for aid organizations or other groups, that have repeatedly been caught in lies about everything from the beheaded babies to babies in ovens, and I forget what all claims they've made that even Israeli journalists have found to not be supported by any evidence.

Notice that the UN is saying there's witnesses claiming this (which is exactly the same bullshit in the NYTimes piece) and saying there needs to be an investigation? Meaning they haven't actually investigated the claims (but others have been, including Israel itself - which simultaneously claims they have mountains of evidence to reveal at any moment to they can't actually corroborate any of the claims with actual evidence). And then added the "it may be ongoing" part, which is exactly what Israeli government is spewing now.

This is just the latest bullshit, with Israel using the claims that there's "ongoing rape" of the people kidnapped to justify their actions to try to dismiss criticism of their genocide, war crimes, and other atrocities. Because when they can't answer for how people that supposedly were trampled in a rush for food had bullet holes, they just scream rape. Just like they did before, and just like they did with all the bullshit claims made about the babies that were constantly found to be lies. Notice how they perpetually have no actual evidence.

This is at least the 3rd time Israel has pushed this rape narrative. They tried early on but most gave a free pass because of the chaos. Then they tried again in December (where they used Jewish women to try to shame womens rights organizations for not blindly supporting Israel's bullshit), and now again. They have no more evidence now than they did in the initial ones. In fact, it seems even more incredulous since investigations into the claims have occurred and they have not been able to substantiate the claims in any meaningful capacity.
 
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amenx

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A thorough look at the UN report and the caveats that were basically ignored by much of the media that reported on it. The Israelis have not even allowed the UN to do a proper investigation of their claims. Very well presented by Breaking Points:

 
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Pohemi

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TBF I've been questioning for years why we continue to give SO much aid to Israel. It isn't as though they're a poor nation that needs rebuilding. We supply more arms to them than any other country, and give them billions in cash and other resources on top of that.

This just kind of makes it more obvious and drives the point home on why we shouldn't. They'll tell us to fuck off just as fast as anyone. Why do we continue helping them genocide others?
 

Leeea

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What's your point? I've never denied that Israeli's have been killed because of friendly fire. It's inevitable. This specific case is also very very well known and has been talked about quite a bit in the media as it was not a mistake but a real decision in the field of battle. AFAIK There's still an ongoing investigation on the commander's decision, and talks about him being removed from the army, depending on what the results of the investigation will be. This very much weakens your case, as you can see how much noise this kind of event created.

You're the one ignoring footage and evidence I just provided by bringing in unrelated things about babies or whatever, which was actually never claimed by any official Israeli source and was denied by the army a few days after it was published (which I've already shared in this very thread).
This thread is not interested in anything that shows civilians in Israel suffering.

To them it is just a one sided war. Rocket attacks don't occur. Oct 7th never happened. There is no back history. The intifada never happened. The Jordanian coup attempt and then civil war never happened. The Hamas backed insurgency against the Egyptian government never happened. The Lebanese civil war never happened.
 

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This thread is not interested in anything that shows civilians in Israel suffering.

To them it is just a one sided war. Rocket attacks don't occur. Oct 7th never happened. There is no back history. The intifada never happened. The Jordanian coup attempt and then civil war never happened. The Hamas backed insurgency against the Egyptian government never happened. The Lebanese civil war never happened.

And still you try to justify 30K+ Palestinians being slaughtered as, "well that's what they get for Hamas' attacks".

No one here claimed there was no reason for retaliation from Israel, or that Hamas did nothing wrong. That's your facetiousness and exaggeration at play.

How many civilian deaths do you think are justified? Obviously not gotten there yet, since you've only defended Israel.

 

Leeea

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And still you try to justify 30K+ Palestinians being slaughtered as, "well that's what they get for Hamas' attacks".

No one here claimed there was no reason for retaliation from Israel, or that Hamas did nothing wrong. That's your facetiousness and exaggeration at play.

How many civilian deaths do you think are justified? Obviously not gotten there yet, since you've only defended Israel.

How many civilian deaths do you think Hamas is justified in killing?

Have you really ran up the death toll?

Not just the Israeli death toll, but the Palestinian death toll? The Egyptian death toll? The Syrian Civil War death toll? -> yes, Hamas kissed and made up with Assad now, but back in mid 2010s Hamas threw their lot in with Al Qaeda ( HTS ) and their extermination of non-sunni minorities in Syria.

Yes, the same assholes who decided to gas the Kurdish neighborhoods in Aleppo after they temporary drove the Syrian government out:
yea, they kill everyone, not just Israelis. And they are not picky how. And yes, it was not just the Syrian government using chemical warfare in Syria. They also launched gas attacks on Afrin.

Do you feel any different knowing Palestinians are just a tool for these sadistically evil people? They care not one wit for their cause?

Are you just happy to walk away and let a totalitarian police state enforce a sadistic regime and a base of terrorism for hatred? Have you bothered to ask why nobody is doing anything in the neighborhood to stop Israel? You know these days EU+Japan+SK have more soft power then the US?
 
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Pohemi

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You are still stating that Hamas = all Palestinians, because you keep justifying what is happening by ONLY reiterating the actions of Hamas.

It's pretty disingenuous.
 

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This thread is not interested in anything that shows civilians in Israel suffering.

To them it is just a one sided war. Rocket attacks don't occur. Oct 7th never happened....

I have to say, this is by far the oddest, most easily-disprovable straight-up lie yet asserted in a thread which started on Oct 7th! You don't even want to accuse someone specifically, just keep it vague with a generally sinister "they"... even the person linkgoron was quoting and responding to included a link that talked about the Oct 7th attack!

Try to be less of a mendacious moron, okay? All you're doing here is demonstrating that there's a new low that's not too low even for you.

The mind boggles. This is pizzagate level shit you're engaging in. Be better than this.
 
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Meghan54

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Any soldier, any combat zone, is always giddy to survive. 100% of the time. It has nothing to do with politics.
Let me ask you the same thing…seriously, are you that ignorant?

Have you known anyone who survived actual combat? They sure as shit ain’t giddy. If anything, almost to a soul they don’t want to relive the horrors they’ve witnessed…friend next to him suddenly getting killed.

Can get so bad newbie replacements have a hard time making “friends” with the vets.

My father survived the Pacific campaign and on the very rare occasions he spoke about it, he wasn’t giddy…more distressed and anguished.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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TBF I've been questioning for years why we continue to give SO much aid to Israel. It isn't as though they're a poor nation that needs rebuilding. We supply more arms to them than any other country, and give them billions in cash and other resources on top of that.

This just kind of makes it more obvious and drives the point home on why we shouldn't. They'll tell us to fuck off just as fast as anyone. Why do we continue helping them genocide others?


 
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Oh look, the bot got posting directions outside their native thread. Must be an upgrade.
It's a good thing. I've mentioned this before, one of my favorite things to do in the morning with a peanut butter glazed bagel and a cup of Tim Horton's coffee is seeing if YG posted so I can read all the replies. When he doesn't post my day has been less than it otherwise could have been. Courtesy of fulfilling my entertainment quota he's probably my favorite poster here.
 

Leeea

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Let me ask you the same thing…seriously, are you that ignorant?

Have you known anyone who survived actual combat? They sure as shit ain’t giddy. If anything, almost to a soul they don’t want to relive the horrors they’ve witnessed…friend next to him suddenly getting killed.

Can get so bad newbie replacements have a hard time making “friends” with the vets.

My father survived the Pacific campaign and on the very rare occasions he spoke about it, he wasn’t giddy…more distressed and anguished.
Thank you.

Yes. Their experience was different.
 
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Pohemi

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I get the idea of soldiers being elated (at least partly due to adrenaline + relief) shortly after surviving intense fighting.

That is NOT what's been happening (and being proudly documented) in Gaza. Like I said before...many of them are acting like they're on spring break.
 
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amenx

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Add some commentary next time, or don't bother jumping in. A link to a wiki of one of many Jewish-American lobbying groups in answer to a rhetorical question doesn't say (or mean) shit.
Sadly it basically boils down to just that, AIPAC. How a foreign power can be so deeply entrenched in the U.S. political system as to virtually make or break any politician they view as friendly or hostile to Israel and thus able to hijack U.S. foreign policy, is almost too incredible to believe. But its real. As Pat Buchanan once said "Congress is Israeli occupied territory".

Former Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer said in a 1983 interview: "I've never seen a President - I don't care who he is-stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind.They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on".

Moorer of course was awakened to that startling revelation after the Israeli sinking of the USS Liberty in 1967. If Israel can get away with that and basically muzzle media reporting on it, they can get away with anything. What chance do Palestinian lives have?

 
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