Just some more state sanctioned terrorism by the only 'democracy' in the middle east
Not directed at you, but at arguments that over-simplify things. I would rather just deal with the topic at hand then waste time with "generalities the self justification of violence", esp when its presented without any context of events that have been occurring over decades. Otherwise we could also say the Nazis punched Jews in the the nose at the Warsaw Ghetto and when a few of them fought back they were similarly contributing to some generic cycle of violence. Sorry I dont buy that.Your desire is to blame Israel. Mine was to describe in generalities the self justification of violence. Were my intention your intention then my analogy would be misapplied. I have seen what you describe for decades. It makes me sick, but I will point out to you that it feels like your anger at them is also being grossly misdirected at me.
As I said, I believe the intentions behind our posts differ and reveal a difference of opinion as to what is relevant psychologically speaking. In my opinion what you call generalities, even though I posted them in direct relationship to Israeli justifications for why they feel OK about bombing children, in other words directed specifically at the topic at hand, do not suit your intention to specifically guilt trip the Israelis. (My OP said: "Israel was attacked so it has to do what it has to do, that's what I always say too after successfully provoking somebody.)" The point I was making is that this hideous behavior is universal and it's very universality and the refusal to see how it applies to all of us is what keeps it manifesting from generation to generation.Not directed at you, but at arguments that over-simplify things. I would rather just deal with the topic at hand then waste time with "generalities the self justification of violence", esp when its presented without any context of events that have been occurring over decades. Otherwise we could also say the Nazis punched Jews in the the nose at the Warsaw Ghetto and when a few of them fought back they were similarly contributing to some generic cycle of violence. Sorry I dont buy that.
I get what you are saying and largely agree with you. But probably best left for a more generalized thread about war and conflict and the human factor.As I said, I believe the intentions behind our posts differ and reveal a difference of opinion as to what is relevant psychologically speaking. In my opinion what you call generalities, even though I posted them in direct relationship to Israeli justifications for why they feel OK about bombing children, in other words directed specifically at the topic at hand, do not suit your intention to specifically guilt trip the Israelis. (My OP said: "Israel was attacked so it has to do what it has to do, that's what I always say too after successfully provoking somebody.)" The point I was making is that this hideous behavior is universal and it's very universality and the refusal to see how it applies to all of us is what keeps it manifesting from generation to generation.
We are as we are because we will not see how universally contemptible we are. It's always blame the other for the last round of offense. I think that what you are saying is that in any situation only one side is worthy of contempt, the Israelis now and the Germans then. As long as human beings pretend it is the other that is at fault, as long as we project our self hate onto the other, we will always create exactly what we fear.
You are free not to buy anything you want in your opinion, but I disagree. As long as we fear to see the utter stupidity of blaming the other for the pain we have suffered, our opinions will always be the result of prison mentality. That is the message I want to express. It's how a people one day in concentration camps the next day are bombing children. Among every race, in any age or culture there are those who wake up and see this. You can be one of them.
Arming Israel to bomb places Israel occupied and designated as safe is upholding international law?Arming Israel vs American soldiers fighting there is quite the non-sequitur. Thats not what things boil down to. US interests go far, far beyond that. Aside from super-power credibility and helping to uphold international law and order (when its flouted) and effectively using it vs current and future adversaries. Not to mention potential terrorism from angry militants seeing the US as complicit in enabling genocide. Dont be surprised if or when the chickens come home to roost. Didnt think this would be hard to get.
Mischaracterization of what I said. And what I said was in response to your statement...Arming Israel to bomb places Israel occupied and designated as safe is upholding international law?
Could be me not understanding what you meant. Which sounded like (AIPAC funded) puppets who support Israel do so to protect American interests in the Mid-east so US soldiers dont have to go their and fight. No, they do so to get re-elected first and foremost at the expense of US interests.So these puppets are putting Israel's needs above American Soldiers' needs?
This is a hot button issue for me as I think it is for you. I am profoundly upset by American bombs killing Palestinian children. That is perhaps why my focus on the general stood out to you in this case. But if you look at my posting on a whole range of issues, all of which I see being issues that arise out of a refusal to see our own hatred of ourselves, you may notice that I focus on the general all of the time. None of the horrors of the world that are man created would happen if humanity wasn't unconsciously motivated not to see the truth. If people could wake up everything would change. But if we believe that the problem is with the other we will never evolve. Sleep is driven by a death wish.I get what you are saying and largely agree with you. But probably best left for a more generalized thread about war and conflict and the human factor.
Re Israel and the current conflict, I believe there is a huge information war at play where one side has historically been superior at waging vs the other, despite what now is becoming more clear that they are losing it. Yet it is still being ferociously waged and can sometimes get me worked up when I see false or misleading info or news thats devoid of context and meant to gaslight people with false narratives and blaming the victim and meant to obscure the reality that Israel does in fact engage in ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide. And this is specific to this thread, your argument maybe in another thread.
Literal fucking nazis. Irony is dead.Israelis often speak of their "shared values" with the US.
Literal fucking nazis. Irony is dead.
No, I was critisizing the Israel owned puppets willing to withhold Pentagon funding to keep weapons flowing to Israel.Mischaracterization of what I said. And what I said was in response to your statement...
Could be me not understanding what you meant. Which sounded like (AIPAC funded) puppets who support Israel do so to protect American interests in the Mid-east so US soldiers dont have to go their and fight. No, they do so to get re-elected first and foremost at the expense of US interests.
US interests involve maintaining high super-power credibility and not allowing the flouting of international law and the UN charter selectively, ie, Russia vs Israel. The US currently is seen by the int'l community as a puppet on Israels strings. As a super-power it has lost much credibility due to unchecked Israeli actions and enabling a genocide with its continuous arming of the Zio-state while condemning similar actions by Russia and sanctioning them.
Ah, got it. Withholding Pentagon funding to make room for Israels needs is probably not easy to pull off, but I've already been astonished at what they could do.No, I was critisizing the Israel owned puppets willing to withhold Pentagon funding to keep weapons flowing to Israel.
Saw that today streaming the morning news. Sickening. UN Peacekeeping force to protect humanitarian aid - nowhere to be seenIsraelis often speak of their "shared values" with the US.
What's a win?
For Bibi and his admin? Killing every last Palestinian that refuses to leave. Leveling Gaza in its entirety and expanding Israeli settlements.What's a win?
And people believe there is a god. Where's the smiting?For Bibi and his admin? Killing every last Palestinian that refuses to leave. Leveling Gaza in its entirety and expanding Israeli settlements.