Israel: We Are At War

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fskimospy

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Probably John Roberts: "We'll see about that!"
Haha true.

Roberts and/or Jonathan Turley: 'The Republican Party did not exist in 1789 and therefore the framers of the Constitution could not possibly have meant for it to remove Republican presidents, therefore impeachment and removal of Trump is unconstitutional. As the Democratic Party is an offshoot of a party that DID exist at that time though it is in accordance with our founding documents for Democrats to be removed.'
 

Brovane

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Congress does have that power. They could cut the Pentagon's budget to 0 and disband the army tomorrow.

Some nebulous "national interest" exemption to Congressional authorization was definitely not in line with anyone's ideas about use of force when the Constitution was written, and we don't have to pretend that it exists.

Commander in Chief doesn't have to ask Congress for permission to deploy US military forces. Congress could choose after the fact to not pay for further deployment.

You are free to have a opinion, doesn't mean it is correct.

Yes, because it is written right there in the Constitution.

No, it isn't. All it is written is that Congress declares war. Deploying US military forces abroad to protect US national interests doesn't require a declaration of war.
 
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fskimospy

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Commander in Chief doesn't have to ask Congress for permission to deploy US military forces. Congress could choose after the fact to not pay for further deployment.

You are free to have a opinion, doesn't mean it is correct.

No, it isn't. All it is written is that Congress declares war. Deploying US military forces abroad to protect US national interests doesn't require a declaration of war.
Again though, Congress can simply stop the president by removing him unless he does ask permission first.

Everything the president does is actually at the mercy of the whims of Congress. Well that was before the immunity ruling - now everything is at the whims of Congress except for the President executing Congress, which he is now free to do.
 

KMFJD

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it's the classic israeli cease fire where their opponents cease firing and israeli continues to fire....


Some staggering numbers out of Gaza


 
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Commander in Chief doesn't have to ask Congress for permission to deploy US military forces. Congress could choose after the fact to not pay for further deployment.

You are free to have a opinion, doesn't mean it is correct.



No, it isn't. All it is written is that Congress declares war. Deploying US military forces abroad to protect US national interests doesn't require a declaration of war.
Congress can actually forbid deployments before they happen. They can literally say "you can't use money or these existing resources to deploy to Blah". Plus, they can always remove the president if they felt like it.
 

HomerJS

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People are so fucking stupid they are waiting to give Trump credit for slowing down Iran's nuclear ambitions. When in reality...

Trump set fire to the house, then flew a helicopter full of sand and dumped it on the house. Now he wants credit for putting the fire out. That's why he loves the "poorly educated"
 

K1052

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well at least it was all for nothing

Exclusive: Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say

The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”


Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.”

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.
 

fskimospy

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Well, we did show everyone that perhaps those bunker busters aren't as fool proof as people may have thought.
Could be they weren’t very effective, agree, but could also easily be that Iran took steps to protect their assets ahead of time as the possibility of a strike was very clearly advertised in advance because this country is run by fuckups.
 
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K1052

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Could be they weren’t very effective, agree, but could also easily be that Iran took steps to protect their assets ahead of time as the possibility of a strike was very clearly advertised in advance because this country is run by fuckups.

Little bit of both I bet.
 

pmv

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K1052

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Perhaps the worst possible outcome - fail to stop the project, but convince the Iranian regime of the urgency of pushing ahead with it as fast as possible.

[Edit] Not to mention sending the same message to multiple other countries that might be thinking of going down the same path.

And just revealed the MOP’s real world capability (or possibly lack of in this case).
 

FelixDeCat

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People are so fucking stupid they are waiting to give Trump credit for slowing down Iran's nuclear ambitions. When in reality...

Trump set fire to the house, then flew a helicopter full of sand and dumped it on the house. Now he wants credit for putting the fire out. That's why he loves the "poorly educated"
If it were not for Trump, you would be speaking Iranian. I think you owe him some gratitude.
 
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Pens1566

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And just revealed the MOP’s real world capability (or possibly lack of in this case).

I wouldn't read that much into the BDA. All depends on the exact technical details of the site/location itself. Plus, they might be factoring in that all of the enriched uranium was likely relocated before the strike anway.

Having said that, this result is not at all unexpected. Anyone that though anything short of a well placed nuke would "obliterate" the site, is a moron.

Also, likely this is a large part of why the congressional briefings have been pushed.

Have to think that MarALago Mussolini is going to be FUMING over this ...
 
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