Israel: We Are At War

[IronWing]

The Goverment of Isreal can do whatever they want in regards to the Hamas and or the Gaza strip. I will look the other way.

^ This has been the approach for decades, the approach that brought the current violence.

 

[linkgoron]

Official death toll is at 200, but I assume that it will be at least double that, maybe more.

 

[KMFJD]

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[HomerJS]

That didn't take long. I should have put the over/under in hours not days. Blame Biden chorus with ZERO evidence is underway. I speak deplorable too well

2024 GOP presidential contenders blame Biden for Hamas attacks on Israel

Several of them baselessly claimed the U.S. funded the attacks as a result of the prisoner exchange deal with Iran.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Leeea]

^ This has been the approach for decades, the approach that brought the current violence.

No, it hasn't.

Not really.

It is clear Hamas is using Gaza as a staging base, launching point, command and control for the extermination of the civilian population of Israel. Do it like the US did with Fallujah. Give the civilian population a two weeks to flee the city. Then fire at will at anything that seems suspicious.

 

[Moonbeam]

Israeli hostages are too valuable to be killed. They will keep them for years and bargain them off. 1 hostage for 1000 jailed Palestinians or more. Thats the way its usually worked

And if the Palestinians want to bargain them for freedom or non-reprisal?

 

[Moonbeam]

That didn't take long. I should have put the over/under in hours not days. Blame Biden chorus with ZERO evidence is underway. I speak deplorable too well

2024 GOP presidential contenders blame Biden for Hamas attacks on Israel

Several of them baselessly claimed the U.S. funded the attacks as a result of the prisoner exchange deal with Iran.

www.nbcnews.com

At least you got the name of the language right.

 

[nickqt]

I do not support what Israel is doing in the West Bank, but 20 Years ago there were 3.3 million Palestinians in the Palestinian Territories - now there are around 5.2 million. That's not how genocide usually works.

Genocide isn't all murder and death camps. It's the systematic destruction of a culture or people. Just because Palestinians are able to out-procreate their murder doesn't change their refugee status in smaller and smaller areas as time goes on.

Genocide happened to Jews, and Native Americans. Both groups still survive and have autonomy and some even their own semi-states.

It was still genocide.

 

[Paratus]

Just waiting for them to attach sniper rifles to drones.
Going to need some "AI" adjustments for accuracy, but once that gets put together - even infantry will be well and truly f'ed. Aim botting, but IRL.

They’ve had aimbot sniper rifles for 10 years.

Bullseye from 1,000 yards: Shooting the $17,000 Linux-powered rifle – Ars Technica

 

[HomerJS]

No one gave pallets of cash to Iran. The money was Iran's to begin with so no one gave Iran anything. Furthermore, the money didn't go to Iran. If Israel doesn't like people shooting back, Israel should stop shooting people.

Why let the truth get in the way of a good right wing talking point?

 

[kage69]

Parading around a naked dead Israeli woman. Cutting down groups of elderly civilians waiting for the bus. Holy shit this is getting horrible. No simple clash or regional uprising here. I fully expect Hezbollah to get involved, if they aren't already.

I'm no fan of modern Israeli politics, have long taken issue with the level of our support for them and see their right wing a lot like I see ours: bad news. I have sympathy for the Palestinian cause - but shit like what is happening now is killing it, and swiftly.

'Murder in God's name' is something that disgusts me to my core, always has. Doesn't matter who is doing it. You target women and children and you are my enemy, flags don't matter at that point. Go to town on these guys IDF.

 

[linkgoron]

Genocide isn't all murder and death camps. It's the systematic destruction of a culture or people. Just because Palestinians are able to out-procreate their murder doesn't change their refugee status in smaller and smaller areas as time goes on.

Genocide happened to Jews, and Native Americans. Both groups still survive and have autonomy and some even their own semi-states.

It was still genocide.

It is NOT genocide. You can say that it is a crime against humanity, that they are oppressors. There are around two million Palestinian Arabs living IN Israel (with citizenship) etc. etc. It is NOT genocide.

Parading around a naked dead Israeli woman. Cutting down groups of elderly civilians waiting for the bus. Holy shit this is getting horrible. No simple clash or regional uprising here. I fully expect Hezbollah to get involved, if they aren't already.

I'm no fan of modern Israeli politics, have long taken issue with the level of our support for them and see their right wing a lot like I see ours: bad news. I have sympathy for the Palestinian cause - but shit like what is happening now is killing it, and swiftly.

'Murder in God's name' is something that disgusts me to my core, always has. Doesn't matter who is doing it. You target women and children and you are my enemy, flags don't matter at that point. Go to town on these guys IDF.

Execution, rape, mutilation - everything horrible that you could think of has been happening.

 

[brycejones]

You partisan poltics people are all the fuckin same - insufferable.

I'm sure that $6B windfall just magically showed up and there was NO negotiations, none, it just magically appeared.
If one can be true, both can.

Fact is, Iran funds the terrorists Hamas - with or without the $6B, this would have happened. But with an extra $6B perhaps the magnitude of this would have been less, perhaps it would have been postponed to give Israel additional time to gather Intel. We have no idea -

Giving pallets of cash to Iran, Russia or any other adversary is not a swell idea and Biden and our State Dept should get backlash for this idiotic move.

0/10

 

[gothuevos]

Why let the truth get in the way of a good right wing talking point?

Nope

 

[brycejones]

One step closer to Trump winning.

LOL

 

[Jaskalas]

Parading around a naked dead Israeli woman. Cutting down groups of elderly civilians waiting for the bus. Holy shit this is getting horrible. No simple clash or regional uprising here. I fully expect Hezbollah to get involved, if they aren't already.

I'm no fan of modern Israeli politics, have long taken issue with the level of our support for them and see their right wing a lot like I see ours: bad news. I have sympathy for the Palestinian cause - but shit like what is happening now is killing it, and swiftly.

'Murder in God's name' is something that disgusts me to my core, always has. Doesn't matter who is doing it. You target women and children and you are my enemy, flags don't matter at that point. Go to town on these guys IDF.

As densely packed as those urban areas are, do you fully appreciate the meaning of your words?
Palestinian casualties would be in the 10s of thousands, and rising, then met with widespread international condemnation against Israel.

Are you prepared to stand with Israel on that issue?
On the right to return fire, disproportionate as it is?

 

[Leeea]

As densely packed as those urban areas are, do you fully appreciate the meaning of your words?
Palestinian casualties would be in the 10s of thousands, and rising, then met with widespread international condemnation against Israel.

Are you prepared to stand with Israel on that issue?
On the right to return fire, disproportionate as it is?

Do it like Fallujah, give the civilians an ultimatum to leave.

Then let the 155mm fire at will. The USA already set the precedence.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do it like Fallujah, give the civilians an ultimatum to leave.

Then let the 155mm fire at will. The USA already set the precedence.

If only Egypt would take them in.

 

[Leeea]

If only Egypt would take them in.

Where they flee is not really Israel's problem.

If all their neighbors hate them so much they have no where to flee, perhaps they should not have embraced an organization that is exterminating the Israel's civilian population.


I would imagine Israel would arrange transport to other Palestinian areas. That is what the US did at Fallujah. Line them up, search them, filter out suspected militants, and the move them on ward. The US did that until the civilians stopped flowing.

 

[gothuevos]

Nevermind

 

[amenx]

Be prepared for Israels response which will probably involve the bombing of densely populated civilian areas. In the past they had used white phosphorus bombs (banned under intl law) which had little or no tactical purpose vs the fighters but horrific effect against the civilian populace, a war crime. Such events would never be reported in NY Post or Daily Mail, who only focus on Israeli casualties.

Rain of Fire

This 71-page report provides witness accounts of the devastating effects that white phosphorus munitions had on civilians and civilian property in Gaza.

www.hrw.org

 

[kage69]

Do it like Fallujah, give the civilians an ultimatum to leave.

Then let the 155mm fire at will. The USA already set the precedence.

That's actually something like what I was going to suggest. We took down houses in Fallujah with 120mm grapeshot, basically point blank. Lots of demo charges. Lots of shooting people less than 50ft away. Was quite the rebuke of the suggestion the US military can only fight with high tech toys. A few weeks into the 2nd Battle of Fallujah the chatter between all the AQI and jihadi was "this ain't working, the Americans aren't stopping and we're not killing enough of them" so the tactic is sound. Still. Big differences are drones and more developed tunnels, rather than holes knocked into walls. Fallujah was loaded with drugs too, those guys were cooked up on speed, adrenaline, meth, all kinds of stuff. I doubt Hamas allows that. Operation Phantom Fury didn't involve dealing with the taking of hostages either, and this certainly will.

I do worry about IDF restraint though. The US military tries to avoid collateral when they can, I'm less familiar with the efforts of others, or the conviction behind it. As I said earlier, not a fan of religion entering war. People like Bibi give terrorists ample recruitment though. You destroy communities long enough and pretty soon people want to return the gesture.

I weep for the innocent secular and religious folks on both sides who wanted no part in this. I also don't expect people to stand by and do nothing when their families and neighbors are being assassinated and kidnapped. I wouldn't. Just like Fallujah, you can tell who the bad guys are by who is jubilantly parading around the lifeless corpses of their enemies. Maybe some of you remember the event that caused Operation Vigilant Resolve.

 

[K1052]

Sounds like they intend to flatten Gaza.

 

[kage69]

Interesting to see RW twitter so aghast at the images/videos coming out of Israel when they themselves have been advocating for this kind of violence against their US liberal citizens for years (civil war, knocking down doors of liberals, making them pay, etc).

Credit where credit is due. Well said.

 

[Zor Prime]

Sounds like they intend to flatten Gaza.

There is logic in leveling an area so no further attacks can come from it. Ghastly but sound logic. It's a damn shame things have come to this, wish I could be surprised. I'm not.