This is some Apocalypse Now shit right here
It was the way we had over here of living with ourselves. We'd cut them in half with a machine gun and give them a Band-Aid. It was a lie—and the more I saw of them, the more I hated lies.
Israeli civilians recently broke through an IDF checkpoint into Gaza likely intent on doing bad things. The Israeli government is paralyzed. To call this a shit show is an insult to shit shows.
That's a weird way to say the cause was the IDF shooting at civilians.It seems to me the actual cause of the massacre of Palestinians (and who knows how many Hamas instigators were in the mix) was having the aid trucks driving in willy nilly and not having any means for crowd control. You couldn't ask for a better way to create a riot over who gets food and who does not. What happened was much like throwing raw meat into a pack of penned up starving dogs.
That's a weird way to say the cause was the IDF shooting at civilians.
I'm thinking the shootings wouldn't have ever occurred if an organized method of distributing food was set up prior to the tragedy unfolding. Keeping in mind that anything can happen when you have thousands of starving people acting on their base instincts for survival while being exploited by two opposing forces who are directly in the mix of things, the only thing I could come up with as a long shot way of feeding the needy was what I previously mentioned.
I can see where the Israelis interest is to deny the Hamas fighters any aid meant for the Palestinians, however if there's not a relatively safe and organized method of aid distribution as possible, what happened then is bound to happen again.
Not at all. It's the folks who are in charge of distributing the aid that's responsible.You come off as blaming the victims here…. Is that your intent?
Classic crowd and riot control method, death by mass shooting.It seems to me the actual cause of the massacre of Palestinians (and who knows how many Hamas instigators were in the mix) was having the aid trucks driving in willy nilly and not having any means for crowd control. You couldn't ask for a better way to create a riot over who gets food and who does not. What happened was much like throwing raw meat into a pack of penned up starving dogs.
Classic crowd and riot control method, death by mass shooting.
No. Those soldiers chose to murder those civilians that day. It was not inevitable. The soldiers have agency.Like I previously mentioned, the way the aid was carelessly set up for distribution it was inevitable to end up that way.
Like I previously mentioned, the way the aid was carelessly set up for distribution it was inevitable to end up that way.
Makes sense, what choice did the soldiers have but to fire? They're not human after all.Not at all. It's the folks who are in charge of distributing the aid that's responsible.
So who was accountable for ensuring an effective way to distribute aid was in place in your opinion?Well I can see all points mentioned above and actually agree with the sentiments being mentioned, so let me be absolutely clear on this issue; I am in no way defending the Israelis firing into the crowd no matter what they say their justification was/is. All I'm specifically referring to is the way the aid was being distributed. The tragic consequences that followed, including what the Israelis are responsible for was not germane to the point I was making. My total focus was and is the thoughtless method that the aid was distributed and how that possibly played a part in what happened thereafter.
So who was accountable for ensuring an effective way to distribute aid was in place in your opinion?
Well I thought I answered that in a previous post. If it's a specific organization that you're wanting me to pin the problem on, (hold on while I look that up)....it's the World Food Programme that's the umbrella entity. As to who actually provided the logistics and the actual individuals that organized the delivery on the ground that day I'll never know, although I'm thinking those people have conveniently disappeared from the picture , especially the truck drivers.
As things normally go, it seems to me the parent organization should be the one on the grill over this specific part of what ended up being a massacre of innocents.
So the IDF doesn't have authority?
As far as I can see, the Israelis have the control of what happens anywhere in Gaza at this point, save for a few parts of Rafah. They block aid, they let aid in when they feel like it. They control the resources these aid parties have to distribute their food. Israel has also caused the mass starvation and water shortages in Gaza, this is all their creation and under their control. It's pretty clear as IDF soldiers can just hang out there, that is a specific spot that Israel has control over. This seems like a no-brainer to me.Well I thought I answered that in a previous post. If it's a specific organization that you're wanting me to pin the problem on, (hold on while I look that up)....it's the World Food Programme that's the umbrella entity. As to who actually provided the logistics and the actual individuals that organized the delivery on the ground that day I'll never know, although I'm thinking those people have conveniently disappeared from the picture , especially the truck drivers.
As things normally go, it seems to me the parent organization should be the one on the grill over this specific part of what ended up being a massacre of innocents.
The IDF has effectively destroyed the civil administration of Gaza. They are in charge at this point. Pretending otherwise seems to be ignoring the facts on the ground.Good question that needs to be answered. It does seem that the IDF would have a say as far as allaying their concerns over protecting their troops go, although I have absolutely no idea why they were there to begin with other than possibly providing force projection for preventing Hamas fighters from taking over the delivery.
As far as I can see, the Israelis have the control of what happens anywhere in Gaza at this point, save for a few parts of Rafah. They block aid, they let aid in when they feel like it. They control the resources these aid parties have to distribute their food. Israel has also caused the mass starvation and water shortages in Gaza, this is all their creation and under their control. It's pretty clear as IDF soldiers can just hang out there, that is a specific spot that Israel has control over. This seems like a no-brainer to me.
I think you should put the blame where it lies here, and it's quite evident that is Israel.
Israel controls what aid and what resources they get to bring with them comes in. So ultimately, I'm pretty sure this is Israel's issue. I think ultimately, and they are telling us, aid groups want way more resources for Gaza, to give aid - that includes not just the physical stuff, but the ways to distribute it properly. It's pretty clear the IDF and the Israeli government and supporters think it's great to see Palestinians scuffle for food as they starve, like a stampede of bugs, because we have seen the Israeli's don't consider the Palestinians human, so that's why I use that word from THEIR perspective. Because Israel right now is pure evil.From your wider point of view, I tend to agree. My original post dealt with a specific incident at a specific point in time and place where it seemed to me that having an orderly organized method of distributing aid might have prevented the tragedy from happening.
If the IDF was specifically in control of organizing and controlling the delivery of aid, well that's on them, they should answer for it. However, I'm assuming it was the WFP that was responsible for the way aid was being delivered. Thinking back on how previous deliveries were made, it looks as if the same method was employed. What happened in this particular delivery that turned it into a massacre only time and the mix of clashing agendas will tell.
Just one out of many in the MSM uncovered to be an IDF propagandist with no journalistic experience being part of her country's disinformation war. As some of us have noted earlier in the thread, Israel is perhaps the biggest spewer of outright lies and disinformation operating in the world today. They NEED to be to continue their wars and genocide unhindered.NY Times is complicit in trying to justify Israel's genocide by promoting the Hamas sexual violence story:
Extraordinary charges of bias emerge against NYTimes reporter Anat Schwartz
New doubts are emerging about the New York Times’s coverage of sexual violence in the October 7 attack. The paper must explain why it broke its own rules by hiring a clearly biased writer who endorsed racist and violent rhetoric toward Palestinians.mondoweiss.net
Now it is shown that the writer is a very racist person who is very anti-Palestinian. Why would they do this?
This writer liked a post about the 40 beheaded babies, which has been debunked.