Israel: We Are At War

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KMFJD

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Speaking of hostages, the last 'american' hostage has been released by hamas, looks to be in amazing health considering that gaza has been starved for a while now



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Urgent | Israeli Broadcasting Authority: Prisoner Idan Alexander refuses to meet Prime Minister Netanyahu
 
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Even before Oct 7, for decades actually, Israel had always targeted journalists, whether Palestinian or not, to prevent news getting out.

Israeli soldiers using the photo of murdered American-Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh for target practice.

This is one of the revelations in the newly released Zeteo documentary “Who Killed Shireen.” The film exposes previously unreported details around the murder of the famous Al Jazeera journalist by an Israeli sniper in Jenin on May 11, 2022, including the identity of the sniper who assassinated Abu Akleh. It also reveals how the Biden administration knew from the very beginning, via an Israeli general, that it was an Israeli soldier who shot her, but they acted as if they knew nothing, and made any investigations classified so as to obscure the story...

 
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It's interesting to see conservative pundits coming undone over the fact that Trump apparently didn't consult with Netanyahu to free the U.S. hostage being held by Hamas among other things...


While Trump's policies are doing serious harm to this country overall (my opinion for which I would hold up ill considered tariffs as a prime argument) it is entirely a schadenfreude moment to see the rants of the conservative pundits...
Might as well enjoy the small glimmers of sunshine that break through eh?


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Jaskalas

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Interesting
I'm sure Trump will be happy after Israel throws them some paper towels. Just don't ask if they explode later.

Trump may say he cares about starving Gazans, but he would be the first to implement starvation as a policy.
His actions are far more telling than the oft incoherent babbling lies he tells.
 
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amenx

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For any remaining doubters or 'both-siders', the argument is unambiguous to legal scholars and experts.

Top genocide scholars unanimous that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza: Dutch investigation

Researchers from Israel, the Netherlands, the US, the UK, Australia, Croatia and Canada say Israel's conduct meets the legal threshold of genocide

 

amenx

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Netherlands biggest demonstration in 2 decades


Spanish PM calls Israel ‘genocidal state


About time to finally speak out

European Council President Antonio Costa said on Saturday that he was "shocked" at the situation in Gaza.

"Shocked by the news from Gaza: starving civilians, hospitals hit again by strikes. The violence must stop!" Costa said on social media platform X.

UK, France, Canada Threaten Action If Israel Continues Offensive In Gaza

Netanyahu hit back at Starmer, Macron and Carney, saying their joint statement was a "huge prize" for Hamas in the Gaza war.

 
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Long overdue sudden awakening in UK govt...

UK-Israeli relations have plunged to their worst state for decades after the British foreign secretary, David Lammy, suspended negotiations over a new free trade deal, saying Israel’s cabinet ministers’ calls to “purify Gaza” by expelling Palestinians were repellant, monstrous and extremist...

 

GodisanAtheist

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Blatantly enabling mass genocide apparently had electoral consequences.

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-In favor of the guy that's going to ship Palestinians to Madagascar or something and turn Gaza into an American occupied Riviera or something... Until he meets with the Saudis... Or Netanyahoo or someone else with an opinion, or like whatever man.

Absolutely is the blackest stain on Biden's presidency though.
 

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-In favor of the guy that's going to ship Palestinians to Madagascar or something and turn Gaza into an American occupied Riviera or something... Until he meets with the Saudis... Or Netanyahoo or someone else with an opinion, or like whatever man.

Absolutely is the blackest stain on Biden's presidency though.
To be fair to Biden, which US President has been against Israel's slow-motion genocide over the past 70+ years?

It's like climate change, even though supporting climate change isn't an actual policy, the "increase GDP no matter what" policy every President runs on, runs on the back of digging up and burning as many natural resources as possible. You can't have one without the other. Same as Israel.

There is no Israel without the US and Western Europe supplying it with cash and weapons. I think of Israel as a "Western" finger plugging a hole in a dam. Without Israel, there is no strong European-centric force in the middle east, regardless of "allies" like Saudi Arabia. There's a reason Israel can do pretty much whatever it wants and the US and Western Europe just ignores it at best or supports it at worst/default.

Stopping support of Israel as policy is about as likely as stopping the increase of GDP as policy. Say what you want about the "stains" of genocide, but any candidate running against Israel as President has zero chance at winning either primary, unless Republicans go full anti-semitism rather than this confusing version where they don't like Jews in general but they can totally get behind a Jewish right-wing state based on right-wing principles such as militaristic colonization and racial hierarchies.
 
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There is no Israel without the US and Western Europe supplying it with cash and weapons. I think of Israel as a "Western" finger plugging a hole in a dam. Without Israel, there is no strong European-centric force in the middle east, regardless of "allies" like Saudi Arabia. There's a reason Israel can do pretty much whatever it wants and the US and Western Europe just ignores it at best or supports it at worst/default.
That may have been the case in the 1950s and the 60s when Israels main adversaries (Egypt, Syria) accepted arms and support from the Soviets thus gaining them a strategic foothold in the region.

But after the 67 war with Israel seizing the West Bank, Gaza, Golan, etc, in definance of international law, Israel has proven nothing more than being a massive stratgic liability for western interests in the region and fuelling radicalism and anti-American sentiment since then.

The only thing that has kept Israel going and doing what it wants is the stranglehold its lobby (AIPAC and a compliant, mostly 'controlled' MSM) has had on US foreign policy and its ability to defeat any political candidate in congress opposed to Israel by bribing his/her opponent with funding to win their seats in congress.

Very much like a dystopian scenario where some cult or foreign power has gained virtual control of a super power and forces it to act against its own self interests.
 
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That may have been the case in the 1950s and the 60s when Israels main adversaries (Egypt, Syria) accepted arms and support from the Soviets thus gaining them a strategic foothold in the region.

But after the 67 war with Israel seizing the West Bank, Gaza, Golan, etc, in definance of international law, Israel has proven nothing more than being a massive stratgic liability for western interests in the region and fuelling radicalism and anti-American sentiment since then.

The only thing that has kept Israel going and doing what it wants is the stranglehold its lobby (AIPAC and a compliant, mostly 'controlled' MSM) has had on US foreign policy and its ability to defeat any political candidate in congress opposed to Israel by bribing his/her opponent with funding to win their seats in congress.

Very much like a dystopian scenario where some cult or foreign power has gained virtual control of a super power and forces it to act against its own self interests.
So answer my first question/assertion.

Which US President has been against Israel's slow-motion genocide over the past 70+ years?
 

amenx

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So answer my first question/assertion.

Which US President has been against Israel's slow-motion genocide over the past 70+ years?
The problem with the question is that no US pres had viewed it as a slow motion genocide. And that they had all given Israel the benefit of the doubt that it would accept a 2 state solution and live side by side with the Palestinians. Even though some of them knew better after their term (Jimmy Carter).

I dont think even the Israelis themselves over the decades viewed themselves as committing a slow motion genocide (esp with the implications of the holocaust still in their minds). Ethnic cleansing yes, but its not same as genocide. The slow forcible displacement of the Palestinians is and has been the policy of all Israeli govts since its founding in 1948, except perhaps with the govt of Rabin (who was assasinated for pushing for the 2 state solution).

With succeeding RW Israeli govts, and with RW education ministers, the Israelis had succeeded in brain-washing their people to view the Palestinians as vile goyim whom could be extreminated for the realization of their greater Israel project. And that is what we are witnessing today. They were just waiting for the right spark to set it off (Oct 7).

As to which US president from this day forward can recognize it as a genocide and act accordingly as leader of the country that is enabling this genoicde with the arms, weapons and diplomatic support given to Israel is anybodys guess.
 
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So answer my first question/assertion.

Which US President has been against Israel's slow-motion genocide over the past 70+ years?

-Closest we ever got in recent history was HW Bush who withheld weapons from Israel temporarily, which ofc turned AIPAC against him and cost him a couple crucial % points in his reflection bid (far from the only reason he wasn't reelected).
 

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-Closest we ever got in recent history was HW Bush who withheld weapons from Israel temporarily, which ofc turned AIPAC against him and cost him a couple crucial % points in his reflection bid (far from the only reason he wasn't reelected).
Right, no US Presidents have been against what Israel has been doing over the past 70+ years.

For anyone to point out Biden as being particularly stained by Israel is overlooking that. He's just the one who happened to be in office during this latest purge.

Trump is giddy about developing Gaza into Trump Hotel and Golf Resorts.

Anyone who voted for Trump, for anyone but Biden, or stayed home, is objectively fucking stupid if they wanted something better for Gaza and Palestine than what is going to happen.
 

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our greatest allies! the only democracy in the middle east~
It is clear that telling Isarel babies might die will likely only encourage him to you know kill them off after all that is an effective approach to genocide.
 
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amenx

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-Closest we ever got in recent history was HW Bush who withheld weapons from Israel temporarily, which ofc turned AIPAC against him and cost him a couple crucial % points in his reflection bid (far from the only reason he wasn't reelected).
Yep, but with a popularity of around 90% after the gulf war, its a bit easier for a US prez to have some balls and take on Israel/AIPAC. Even though they managed to turn things around by the time of the next election by focusing on the economy and painting HW as a failing prez. If it wasnt for the lobby (and its aligned MSM) I think HW would have won.
 
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