Israel: We Are At War

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amenx

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So the explicit Israeli goal here is regime change in Iran. Which uh fine I guess since I don't have any love for the ayatollah. The idea that a democratic Iran would be less hostile to Israel and not seek the bomb also feels...underbaked to say the least. If they got their wish they could end up producing a more competent government and military that still hates their guts that does less adventurism (Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc) but has nuclear weapons.
Agreed. If Israels actions resulted in regime change and a less adventurist Iran I would be happy. But that would be tempered by a more adventurist Israel who may be tempted to swallow up ever more territory (in Syria) for their Greater Israel project which would create further instability and terrorism in the region.
 

Jaskalas

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This is bad. Israel has struck a major Iranian oil facility. The Iranians had threatened they would attack the regions other oil producing facilities if their own were struck.
Would be fascinating if Iran's final act is to blow the hell out of the global oil supply.
 
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amenx

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KMFJD

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Looks like multiple impacts in Haifa.

that's going to leave a mark

some more video's of haifa getting hit

 
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amenx

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The Greater Israel project will pick up pace amongst more right wingers as Iran is further weakened or destroyed.

Israeli Minister Calls for Israeli Control Over Syria and Lebanon

Eliyahu asked the crowd “Do we want Judea and Samaria [the West Bank]? Do we want Syria? Do we want Lebanon? Do we want Gaza?” leading to thunderous cheers and him admonishing that the crowd needs to “shout it out.”

The comments take on more relevance as Israel is already actively occupying parts of southern Lebanon and southwestern Syria, and the far-right is increasingly advocating for an expansion of that...

 
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amenx

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I really thought Trump was not keen on Israel striking Iran. But seems he was dog-walked into it by Nyahoo. The credibility of the US is gone. No one will trust it in any future conflict meditation or even economic dealings as we've seen with his yo-yoing on the tariffs. The guy is too fickle to deal with let along be a leader of a country.

Even more stupidly of him was his reactions and gloating statements after Israels strike, like he was trying to be a part of the glory of it. What a fuckwit extraordinaire.
 
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K1052

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I really thought Trump was not keen on Israel striking Iran. But seems he was dog-walked into it by Nyahoo. The credibility of the US is gone. No one will trust it in any future conflict meditation or even economic dealings as we've seen with his yo-yoing on the tariffs. The guy is too fickle to deal with let along be a leader of a country.

Even more stupidly of him was his reactions and gloating statements after Israels strike, like he was trying to be a part of the glory of it. What a fuckwit extraordinaire.

Vintage Trump move of not really making a decision and trying to take credit for an outcome you think is good.

Team Trump is 0-3 in conflict resolution so far and I doubt that record is gonna improve.
 

you2

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Vintage Trump move of not really making a decision and trying to take credit for an outcome you think is good.

Team Trump is 0-3 in conflict resolution so far and I doubt that record is gonna improve.
Yea he really is a horrible president; not saying this because i dislike his policies but because his effectiveness is so low. Giving constant mix reaction to every major conflict and frequently ending up doing nothing is like a green light for conflict.
 
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K1052

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Yea he really is a horrible president; not saying this because i dislike his policies but because his effectiveness is so low. Giving constant mix reaction to every major conflict and frequently ending up doing nothing is like a green light for conflict.

It also makes him look super weak which is going to create yet more problems globally.
 

ivwshane

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Look weak? He is extremely weak. And he is so stupid he doesn't realize that advisors might actually give him useful information.

Have you seen his advisors? It’s more likely his advisors are keeping useful information away from him.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Netanyahu claims they attacked Iran because of Assassination attempts on Trump


This is Iraq has WMD 2.0.

Netanyahu’s statement is nothing more than him pushing Trump’s buttons in a thinly veiled attempt to manipulate him which is obvious to everyone except Trump. Netanyahu is desperate to get America dragged into a war. He's making up stuff. Because he knows Trump is gullible and easily manipulated. it is obvious to everybody how desperate Netenyahu is to get the U.S. to attack Iran. He knows how easy it is to manipulate Trump/MAGA. And he's using that gullibility to his advantage. Just tell them whatever it is they want to hear, and they will believe it just because they want it to be true. And Trump is anxious to be played. He is now mulling an attack on Iran

Netanyahu, like Trump and Putin, has no problem lying to further his agenda
 
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you2

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Netanyahu claims they attacked Iran because of Assassination attempts on Trump


This is Iraq has WMD 2.0.

Netanyahu’s statement is nothing more than him pushing Trump’s buttons in a thinly veiled attempt to manipulate him which is obvious to everyone except Trump. Netanyahu is desperate to get America dragged into a war. He's making up stuff. Because he knows Trump is gullible and easily manipulated. it is obvious to everybody how desperate Netenyahu is to get the U.S. to attack Iran. He knows how easy it is to manipulate Trump/MAGA. And he's using that gullibility to his advantage. Just tell them whatever it is they want to hear, and they will believe it just because they want it to be true. And Trump is anxious to be played. He is now mulling an attack on Iran

Netanyahu, like Trump and Putin, has no problem lying to further his agenda
Not sure - Iran has it out for Trump since what his name was whacked in Iraq during his first term.... As for Netanyahu - they claim lots of shit so much shit it is hard to believe anything he sez anymore unless verified by a third party.
 

K1052

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Kinda looks like the regime is on the ropes but we’ll see. I think the outcome of Israel getting what it wants could easily be a more competent government in Teheran that is super motivated to provide credible defense and offense vis a vis Israel.
 

you2

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Kinda looks like the regime is on the ropes but we’ll see. I think the outcome of Israel getting what it wants could easily be a more competent government in Teheran that is super motivated to provide credible defense and offense vis a vis Israel.
To be honest the only major weapon supplier they had was Russia and well despite all the bluffing Russian tech kind of failed to live up to the hype. For years America traded blows with Russia in regards to weapon system only problem was America stuff while insanely expensive to operate mostly did what they Claimed while russia well we can see how quickly it fails against 20 year old technology (Ukraine war; Israel is using the latest junk plus a bit of their own stuff).

I.e, a new regime in Iran might be more loved (doubt it) but i doubt there is much they can do in the weapons department.
 

K1052

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To be honest the only major weapon supplier they had was Russia and well despite all the bluffing Russian tech kind of failed to live up to the hype. For years America traded blows with Russia in regards to weapon system only problem was America stuff while insanely expensive to operate mostly did what they Claimed while russia well we can see how quickly it fails against 20 year old technology (Ukraine war; Israel is using the latest junk plus a bit of their own stuff).

I.e, a new regime in Iran might be more loved (doubt it) but i doubt there is much they can do in the weapons department.

One area of internal tension as I understand it has been underinvestment in conventional domestic forces and security in favor of foreign shenanigans. A government that comes along and focuses on those instead and is less repressive would be a different kind of problem for the Israelis.
 
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